WTF has that got to do with the price of Durhams flats?Dadaist wrote:So did Jesus, and Tim Henman's title hopes.Real socialism as any kind of credible force in the UK died a long time ago.
Carnival For Full Enjoyment (anarchist demo)
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Hiboz
Obviously my immunity to Stalinism has not protected me from being infected with a weaker strain, whose main symptoms seem to be a love of the welfare state and peace.Porty wrote:Hiboz wrote:Real socialism as any kind of credible force in the UK died a long time ago.
To be a bit more precise it was a Worldwide epidemic.
A belated welcome Hiboz.
I'll try my best to take your advice, Dr Capital, although your blanket ban on reading books means that I have to avoid the dictionary, which contains every word I'd like to use on the forum.
You, however, are doing well on your current dosage of Repressitol (75mg bd, avoid heavy machinery, may cause *****ile dysfunction). Can I have some?
Ive not banned you from reading books, i'm merely suggesting you take the odd night off. BTW you better watch with the name calling etc, the Mods may jump in to protect me.Dadaist wrote:Obviously my immunity to Stalinism has not protected me from being infected with a weaker strain, whose main symptoms seem to be a love of the welfare state and peace.Porty wrote:Hiboz wrote:Real socialism as any kind of credible force in the UK died a long time ago.
To be a bit more precise it was a Worldwide epidemic.
A belated welcome Hiboz.
I'll try my best to take your advice, Dr Capital, although your blanket ban on reading books means that I have to avoid the dictionary, which contains every word I'd like to use on the forum.
You, however, are doing well on your current dosage of Repressitol (75mg bd, avoid heavy machinery, may cause *****ile dysfunction). Can I have some?
Ok, my apologies. I don't want to upset you or the mods.Porty wrote:Ive not banned you from reading books, i'm merely suggesting you take the odd night off. BTW you better watch with the name calling etc, the Mods may jump in to protect me.Dadaist wrote:Obviously my immunity to Stalinism has not protected me from being infected with a weaker strain, whose main symptoms seem to be a love of the welfare state and peace.Porty wrote:
To be a bit more precise it was a Worldwide epidemic.
A belated welcome Hiboz.
I'll try my best to take your advice, Dr Capital, although your blanket ban on reading books means that I have to avoid the dictionary, which contains every word I'd like to use on the forum.
You, however, are doing well on your current dosage of Repressitol (75mg bd, avoid heavy machinery, may cause *****ile dysfunction). Can I have some?
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another view
another view - is it just me or does it seem a bit coincidental that the police issue these pics just as a) the anti-war movement seems to be gathering strength again up to Nov 12th Stop the War/Occupation of Iraq,Palestine, War on Iran, Syria etc Demo in Edinburgh and b) when the Bush and Blair agenda is in trouble again?
anyway, here's a different view from the Lothian & Borders Police one, of the G8 Carnival for Full Enjoyment Day - and by the way, anyone who was on any of those demos including the MPHistory demo, which were almost, if not, entirely peaceful (well the demonstrators were anyway, can't speak for the Police) , have you thought about it, our pics will be numbered and in their files too? I was photod a dozen times if not more, just ambling along the road, with a placard in my hand, not threatening anyone, on a legally agreed demonstration....are you a number on the L&B Computer?
Do you know that ID Cards were used by the Nazis to identify and categorise people according to their beliefs, religion, trade union and political activity, sexuality etc? I find what is happening in Britain seriously worrying - read on and particularly re the incident with the two medics - highlighted in bold below.
News from Scotland Against Criminalising Communities - SACC (www.sacc.org.uk)
Stop the Terrorism Bill- Sign the petition http://new.petitiononline.com/SACC03/petition.html
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PRESS RELEASE For immediate use – issued 3rd November 2005
"DROP THE G8 CHARGES" DEMANDS DEFENDANTS SOLIDARITY GROUP
Issued by July 2005 Solidarity Group/Endorsed by Scotland Aganist Criminalising Communities
The July 2005 Solidarity Group, a support group for people arrested at the G8, has denounced the police publication of "Wanted" photos of anti G8 demonstrators. The Group states that they will support all facing charges arising from the G8 demonstrations, and calls for all charges to be dropped. Scotland against Criminalising Communities, a grass-roots organisation campaigning against the "anti-terrorism" laws, is supporting the stand of the July 2005 Solidarity Group.
On 2nd November 2005 Lothian and Borders Police issued photos of 31 people they wish to interview in connection with the Carnival for Full Enjoyment in Edinburgh on 4th July.
Esther MacDonald, spokeswoman for the July 2005 Solidarity Group, said:
"The Carnival for Full Enjoyment was organised against the G8 and in opposition to wage slavery, benefits slavery, the slavery of debt and the slavery of poor people being forced into the armed forces. People taking action against injustice and exploitation were attacked by police wielding batons and charging into the crowd on horseback. Protestors heroically maintained their demonstration in the face of extreme police violence.
"The people of Edinburgh were disgusted by our city being taken over by a huge occupation force of heavily armed riot police. Evidence for this is the large number of local participants in the Carnival, while on a Radio Scotland phone-in the following day caller after caller denounced the outrageous police behaviour.
"People not involved in the protest, as well as demonstrators, were intimidated and threatened by police who detained people within cordons in the city centre, preventing people moving freely about their own city, " concluded Esther.
Mark Davidson of the July 2005 Solidarity Group described an incident at the Carnival for Full Enjoyment :
"Police violence included a vicious assault carried out by a contingent of at least 25 riot police on two female medics in Princes Street Gardens . The medic defendants were found not guilty in Edinburgh sheriff court on 21st October. In court police admitted deliberately using pressure point holds on the two women - these inflict intense pain."
"All I can say is that I've never screamed in pain before, but I couldn't not," said medic Ruth. "It was definitely the most painful thing I have ever experienced. I was yelling out: "We're not resisting, we're not resisting!"" stated her colleague Astrid.
Mark Davidson continued : "Now that a Sheriff has stated that there was no evidence that these women had committed a crime, will these officers be charged with assault? Several other defendants have also been found not guilty as the absurdity of the charges has been exposed. In fact according to the police's own figures 80 per cent of those who have appeared in court to date have NOT been found guilty.
"While many demonstrators were injured, there were no reports of significant police injuries. This massive police operation is totally out of proportion to any "crimes" allegedly committed, and is politically motivated – when ordinary people are victims of serious assaults there is not a fraction of this effort put into finding the attackers.
"We advise anyone arrested not to panic, but to ask for a solicitor and not make any statement to the police. We urge all facing charges to contact the July 2005 Solidarity Group.
"We pledge ourselves to support all arrested or facing charges in connection with the G8 demonstrations – whatever these charges may be. We can supply legal help, and moral and practical support. G8 Legal Support have many witness statements which can help defendants.
"We call for the dropping of all charges arising from the G8 demonstrations. And we urge all concerned with the freedom to protest and social justice to join us in this call. The attempted repression of dissent during the G8 and this attempted witch-hunt against participants in the Carnival for Full Enjoyment are not isolated incidents. So-called "anti-terrorism" laws, dawn raids on asylum seekers and the introduction of ID cards are just a few other examples of the growing authoritarianism of the state. We all need to stand together and defy this repression. "
Issued by the July 2005 Solidarity Group
Contact July2005solidarity@yahoo.co.uk
anyway, here's a different view from the Lothian & Borders Police one, of the G8 Carnival for Full Enjoyment Day - and by the way, anyone who was on any of those demos including the MPHistory demo, which were almost, if not, entirely peaceful (well the demonstrators were anyway, can't speak for the Police) , have you thought about it, our pics will be numbered and in their files too? I was photod a dozen times if not more, just ambling along the road, with a placard in my hand, not threatening anyone, on a legally agreed demonstration....are you a number on the L&B Computer?
Do you know that ID Cards were used by the Nazis to identify and categorise people according to their beliefs, religion, trade union and political activity, sexuality etc? I find what is happening in Britain seriously worrying - read on and particularly re the incident with the two medics - highlighted in bold below.
News from Scotland Against Criminalising Communities - SACC (www.sacc.org.uk)
Stop the Terrorism Bill- Sign the petition http://new.petitiononline.com/SACC03/petition.html
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PRESS RELEASE For immediate use – issued 3rd November 2005
"DROP THE G8 CHARGES" DEMANDS DEFENDANTS SOLIDARITY GROUP
Issued by July 2005 Solidarity Group/Endorsed by Scotland Aganist Criminalising Communities
The July 2005 Solidarity Group, a support group for people arrested at the G8, has denounced the police publication of "Wanted" photos of anti G8 demonstrators. The Group states that they will support all facing charges arising from the G8 demonstrations, and calls for all charges to be dropped. Scotland against Criminalising Communities, a grass-roots organisation campaigning against the "anti-terrorism" laws, is supporting the stand of the July 2005 Solidarity Group.
On 2nd November 2005 Lothian and Borders Police issued photos of 31 people they wish to interview in connection with the Carnival for Full Enjoyment in Edinburgh on 4th July.
Esther MacDonald, spokeswoman for the July 2005 Solidarity Group, said:
"The Carnival for Full Enjoyment was organised against the G8 and in opposition to wage slavery, benefits slavery, the slavery of debt and the slavery of poor people being forced into the armed forces. People taking action against injustice and exploitation were attacked by police wielding batons and charging into the crowd on horseback. Protestors heroically maintained their demonstration in the face of extreme police violence.
"The people of Edinburgh were disgusted by our city being taken over by a huge occupation force of heavily armed riot police. Evidence for this is the large number of local participants in the Carnival, while on a Radio Scotland phone-in the following day caller after caller denounced the outrageous police behaviour.
"People not involved in the protest, as well as demonstrators, were intimidated and threatened by police who detained people within cordons in the city centre, preventing people moving freely about their own city, " concluded Esther.
Mark Davidson of the July 2005 Solidarity Group described an incident at the Carnival for Full Enjoyment :
"Police violence included a vicious assault carried out by a contingent of at least 25 riot police on two female medics in Princes Street Gardens . The medic defendants were found not guilty in Edinburgh sheriff court on 21st October. In court police admitted deliberately using pressure point holds on the two women - these inflict intense pain."
"All I can say is that I've never screamed in pain before, but I couldn't not," said medic Ruth. "It was definitely the most painful thing I have ever experienced. I was yelling out: "We're not resisting, we're not resisting!"" stated her colleague Astrid.
Mark Davidson continued : "Now that a Sheriff has stated that there was no evidence that these women had committed a crime, will these officers be charged with assault? Several other defendants have also been found not guilty as the absurdity of the charges has been exposed. In fact according to the police's own figures 80 per cent of those who have appeared in court to date have NOT been found guilty.
"While many demonstrators were injured, there were no reports of significant police injuries. This massive police operation is totally out of proportion to any "crimes" allegedly committed, and is politically motivated – when ordinary people are victims of serious assaults there is not a fraction of this effort put into finding the attackers.
"We advise anyone arrested not to panic, but to ask for a solicitor and not make any statement to the police. We urge all facing charges to contact the July 2005 Solidarity Group.
"We pledge ourselves to support all arrested or facing charges in connection with the G8 demonstrations – whatever these charges may be. We can supply legal help, and moral and practical support. G8 Legal Support have many witness statements which can help defendants.
"We call for the dropping of all charges arising from the G8 demonstrations. And we urge all concerned with the freedom to protest and social justice to join us in this call. The attempted repression of dissent during the G8 and this attempted witch-hunt against participants in the Carnival for Full Enjoyment are not isolated incidents. So-called "anti-terrorism" laws, dawn raids on asylum seekers and the introduction of ID cards are just a few other examples of the growing authoritarianism of the state. We all need to stand together and defy this repression. "
Issued by the July 2005 Solidarity Group
Contact July2005solidarity@yahoo.co.uk
Re: another view
It is not just you, there's bound to be other conspiracy theorists out there.Carla wrote:another view - is it just me or does it seem a bit coincidental that the police issue these pics just as a) the anti-war movement seems to be gathering strength again up to Nov 12th Stop the War/Occupation of Iraq,Palestine, War on Iran....uk
I hear four of the mugshots handed themselves in today.
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Re: another view
Unfortunately not.Carla wrote:another view - is it just me..........
Justice delayed is justice denied.
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I think the Washington Post is highly irresponsible in leading people to believe that the CIA are running a network of hidden jails.Pal of Porty wrote:Unfortunately not.Carla wrote:another view - is it just me..........
I also think that Google are seriously out on a limb by allowing free citizens to run a search for the salt pit when innocently looking for, say, a pillar of salt.
Re: another view
What are these 'conspiracy theorists' you speak of? Are they good or evil? How do I identify them?Porty wrote:
It is not just you, there's bound to be other conspiracy theorists out there.
Re: another view
I only wish I knew, they seem to be so clever and evasive, well except for the obvious exceptions like Carla.xxxx wrote:What are these 'conspiracy theorists' you speak of? Are they good or evil? How do I identify them?Porty wrote:
It is not just you, there's bound to be other conspiracy theorists out there.
Unashamedly bumping this thread to inform youse that I've fixed the links to my photos of riot coppers and geraniums now that we are to be archived for history or something.
This was a monumental thread encompassing the G8, Scotland The What, excellent photos from wangi, the usual controversy from the usual suspects.
We should all meet for tea in Jenners exactly a year after these events took place - I will buy Nedd Ludd a jammy scone and Hiboz can buy me a french fancy.
This was a monumental thread encompassing the G8, Scotland The What, excellent photos from wangi, the usual controversy from the usual suspects.
We should all meet for tea in Jenners exactly a year after these events took place - I will buy Nedd Ludd a jammy scone and Hiboz can buy me a french fancy.
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Is this your thread sir? You can't post here, sir!Mate of Marya wrote:As you were typing this post Dadaist, at the same time I was creating a new post in Portobello Matters called "Feel the Force"I hope the two are not related!!!
Oh, the thread wasn't deleted - it fell down the stairs all by itself!
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