"Sort it out yourselves" (PPAG win legal appeal)

[Scoop]

Like I said, you don't come up with any ideas of your own.

Ah well, when I try to think about alternatives I limit myself by trying to keep a grip on reality. That inevitably reduces the options. If reality isn't a limiting factor, then admittedly the options increase significantly.

Your blinkered, and limited.

[seanie]

Any substantive comments on the issue of replacing PHS?

[Scoop]

Any substantive comments on the issue of replacing PHS?

Not from me. I'm not smart enough. And it would appear that you are not smart enough either.

[seanie]

Well you're half right.

[Pal of Porty]

Suggestions of where to buy discounted champers a day or two prior to the decision kinda reeked of smugness.

Don't know about smugness or indeed who posted it but my heart sank when I saw it.

[Bob Jefferson]

Suggestions of where to buy discounted champers a day or two prior to the decision kinda reeked of smugness.

Yeah, I'll accept that but no-one saw that decision coming, not even the staunchest PPAG supporter. Ladbrokes weren't even taking bets.

[Scoop]

Scoop, from around 400 respondents so far on the online poll, 356 have indicated that Portobello Park is their preferred site. I'm sure they will be delighted to know that you consider them to be 'spoiled brats'.

Where do you think the new school should be built, if not on Portobello Park?

Bob, of the three judges who decided on this case, thre of them ruled that it cant go on the park. You could have as many people as you like wanting it on the park, but it won't make it legal. It's not rocket science .

[Bob Jefferson]

I note that you didn't answer my question.

[Epykat]

Judges aren't infallible, and they're not the only ones who get to decide what is and isn't legal.

Who is it that 'gets to decide' what is and isn't legal then? You? Wee Torquil up the road? The wizard of Oz? Kenny McAskill? Who?

[seanie]

Er...parliament? They do have some powers when it comes to what is and isn't legal.

Is this news to you?

[lg1726]

why are there no council officials coming to the meeting tomorrow?

They maybe don't have a flak jacket tough enough for the job!!

[Epykat]

Er...parliament? They do have some powers when it comes to what is and isn't legal.

Is this news to you?

No, it's not news to me, I was just wondering if perhaps there were other people who got to make laws judging by what you had said. I'm presuming that judges are judges because they know the law and uphold it. Are you hoping that you might find some that agree with the law you want and not the law that's in place? Or are you just going to go for the 'change the law to suit you' tack?

[Porty]

Who is it that 'gets to decide' what is and isn't legal then? You? Wee Torquil up the road? The wizard of Oz? Kenny McAskill? Who?

Er...parliament? They do have some powers when it comes to what is and isn't legal.

Is this news to you?

No, it's not news to me, I was just wondering if perhaps there were other people who got to make laws judging by what you had said. ?

So you knew all along it was Parliament!! (you truly are a master of disguise)

How did the wondering go, did you establish if there were other people who made up laws?
I only ask cos we could do with a couple to make up some laws about appropraition. Did you get their numbers?

[Pal of Porty]

The more I think about it...........

I think you really should have stopped there on this one Epy!

[gillian]

Now, why didn't we all think of that. Hope you are off to the meeting tonight Epykat. With a plan like this you will be star of the show.

[Epykat]

Thanks Rosa, but unfortunately I can't make it. What's your Plan B?

[wangi]

SAVE THE TOWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Epykat]

Nice to have you on board Wangi!

[Scoop]

I'll sleep soundly as I know I live and work for the greater good.

Greggs?

[Porty]

Commander- your idea is starting to come together. Please could you draw us a skip load of gold bullion and we can get to work.

[wangi]

admin: a few posts were removed: please refrain from pointless bitching - thanks

[Porty]

Should we ask Commander to draw us two skip loads of gold bulllion?

[Epykat]

quote="Porty"]Should we ask Commander to draw us two skip loads of gold bulllion?[/quote]


Refurb on the other hand wouldn't take two skips of gold bullion seeing as how the foundations and structure are already there. Positive Porty!

[Scoop]

Should we ask Commander to draw us two skip loads of gold bulllion?

Like I said, until the council qualify the budget, you're shooting in the dark. One skip of bullion, two skips.... even the council don't know. And even then we'd have the issue of how many cubic yards you'd like your skips to be. And then we'd need to make sure tufty approved the perspective of the drawing, so she could sleep soundly. We wouldn't want her steak bakes underdone, would we?

[gillian]

" Could there maybe be a wee bit snobbery creeping in here in a 'schemey tower block' kind of way?"


Yeah. come on Epykat, we've come to expect more from you than this

[Epykat]

" Could there maybe be a wee bit snobbery creeping in here in a 'schemey tower block' kind of way?"


Yeah. come on Epykat, we've come to expect more from you than this

Really? According to some I'm selfish, ignorant and don't give a f**k about children.

From what I've been reading about lack of Plan B it would appear that some would rather have nothing at all than a refurbished tower block. Why would that be if not because they don't want their kids going to school in a tower block? If it's a choice between that and nothing, it's the only conclusion I can come to. And what exactly is this 'a school for the 21st Century'? A school is a building in which children are educated. It's been happening for years. What makes 21st Century children so different to every other generation who managed a good education in the Tower?

[Doris]

Epycat said : "And what exactly is this 'a school for the 21st Century'?"

Well I would have thought for a start it would include 21st century technology, science and music labs.

[Epykat]

Epycat said : "And what exactly is this 'a school for the 21st Century'?"

Well I would have thought for a start it would include 21st century technology, science and music labs.

All of which the current school has.

[Epykat]

Sorry Doris - having problems editing!

[gillian]

" Could there maybe be a wee bit snobbery creeping in here in a 'schemey tower block' kind of way?"


Yeah. come on Epykat, we've come to expect more from you than this

"Really? According to some I'm selfish, ignorant and don't give a f**k about children".


Well, I've never thought or said that. You are a formidable verbal opponent. I just think your question doesn't do you justice. To be totally honest I'm not really sure what "schemey" means but I could take a good shot at understanding it, and what is snobbish about wanting the best education for your child?
No, not your best line of argument.

[Epykat]

" Could there maybe be a wee bit snobbery creeping in here in a 'schemey tower block' kind of way?"


Yeah. come on Epykat, we've come to expect more from you than this

"Really? According to some I'm selfish, ignorant and don't give a f**k about children".


Well, I've never thought or said that. You are a formidable verbal opponent. I just think your question doesn't do you justice. To be totally honest I'm not really sure what "schemey" means but I could take a good shot at understanding it, and what is snobbish about wanting the best education for your child?
No, not your best line of argument.

It wasn't a line of argument Rosa, it was just a thought. As I said, IF a refurb was the absolute only option and it was turned down, what other reason could there be? It would imply that you simply just don't want your kids in a Tower block. There's nothing snobbish about wanting the best education for your child but there is something snobbish about hypothetically not taking the only option you're offered because it's in a Tower block. POP dismissed the refurb idea immediately as the worst option. I disagree, the worst option would be that you get nothing (I say 'you' because I don't have school age children) and the kids are left with what they have. A good education undoubtedly but in a building which needs refurbished. Bob can be as smug and confident as he likes about winning an appeal, or changing the law, for finding out it's not common good land but the fact of the matter is, at the moment and probably for quite some considerable time, if ever, the school is NOT going on that land so a Plan B is essential.

[gillian]

Still don't think snobbishness has anything to do with it. Most people would, and do fight tooth and nail to get what they believe their children are entitled to and deserve. A refurbished PHS wouldn't fulfil either. Snobbishness just doesn't come into it.

[Epykat]

But if you don't get what you think your children are entitled to, what then?

[Betty Windsor]

If a refurbed tower can provide everything a new build can (including access to two GRASS pitches up the road in Porty Park) what objection could anyone actually have to it except that it is a tower?
Maybe we're now getting to the real issue-some parents just don't want their kids going to school in a tower block. I think this refurb could be fantastic and if we could engage the young people in some of the playground design, all the better. This idea (for me at least) is looking more and more "viable" and actually quite exciting.

[Bob Jefferson]

No-one is interested in your consolation prizes. Our kids deserve better than that.