Michael Jackson Trial

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 06 Jun 2005, 19:36

Guilty or not ?

I just heard a quote on TV which was "Michael if you're not doing anything, why are you always doing it with 12 year old boys" which sums up exactly what I feel about him

Would you let your son go for a slumber party?

ali · Post by **ali** » 06 Jun 2005, 19:45

Nope - and if he is found guilty is it to be jail or therapy or both?

Its all very sad.

DG · Post by DG » 06 Jun 2005, 20:01

What concerns and angers me is that some people seem to be forgetting that this is a child abuse case and not a celebrity case. Some of the reporting and supporters behaviour outside the court room has been so inappropriate. If he is guilty, how does it feel for the victim and their family to hear cheering outside for Michael Jackson and against the victim?

DG

Ed · Post by Ed » 06 Jun 2005, 21:38

As long as the verdict is the right one then thats all that matters. However theres a hell of a lot of smoke!!!

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 06 Jun 2005, 21:51

I am naturally suspicious of 'victims' who go to their lawyers and publicists before they go to the police. But no - the young Pal of Porty's won't be going there for a sleepover.

Robin! · Post by **Robin!** » 06 Jun 2005, 22:35

I think a lot of people are jumping on the band wagon, I cant make my mind up if he is inocent or not

Gemini · Post by **Gemini** » 07 Jun 2005, 23:59

Robin! wrote: I cant make my mind up if he is inocent or not

I really do not know what to think! He has always been a 'bit off the wall', but he does also have amazing talent - Thriller - one of the best music video's ever,IMO.

I would never have associated MJ, with child molestation. :
But, If he is found guilty - then I hope that the penalty fits the crime.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 08 Jun 2005, 09:35

Gemini wrote:I really do not know what to think! He has always been a 'bit off the wall', but he does also have amazing talent - Thriller - one of the best music video's ever,IMO.

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Ha Ha, I guess everyone else gets it but just aren't saying anything

Smooth Criminal (has to be the full version) is the greatest music video ever made IMHO. I have watched it literally 100's of times, the choreography is breathtaking. Even if the bit where they lean forward til their noses almost touch the floor is dubbed, it is still a thing of wonder. I find myself ignoring the brilliance of MJ and watching the dancers around him. Awesome and I don't use that hideous word lightly.

I hope the guy is innocent.

bellybabe · Post by **bellybabe** » 08 Jun 2005, 11:03

Porty wrote:I hope the guy is innocent.

He might well be found innocent, but that doesn't mean he actually is. They had enough evidence to actually get to court, in itself no mean feat in a child abuse case. And while a lot of accusations have been hurled at the kid's mother, whether or not she had some involvement in what happened is not the question, it's whether MJ is guilty of abusing a child. Sexual abuse does not necessarily only involve overtly sexual acts. We see children of twelve as children, however they may seem themselves, and whilst they may be persuaded by many means by adults to take part in certain things, it can hardly be called informed consent.

Maybe nothing overtly sexual happened; but would you let your twelve year old sleep with an older man, any older man, not just rich and famous ones, in return for favours and see that as acceptable? I remember when I was a child those awful adverts on TV where the spooky man in the car was waiting by a playground and trying to bribe kids to go with him for sweets, or to see puppies or something (scared the living daylights out of me) - it's long been known paedophiles groom children by offering them interesting, pleasant things in order to get their compliance. This kid gets slated for falling for just that - for liking the money and the status and so on - and maybe the kid is no saint, but he still has a right to be safe from abuse, and he was still a child.

If Robert Redford offered me $1,000,000 for a roll in the hay, I'd find that hard to resist, and I'm a grown up (honest!).

Rant over

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foxy · Post by **foxy** » 08 Jun 2005, 12:35

Bellybabe wrote: If Robert Redford offered me $1,000,000 for a roll in the hay, I'd find that hard to resist, and I'm a grown up (honest!).

Rant over .

Good rant BB and I'm with you on the RR dilemma

...mind you he hasn't written, he hasn't called....

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 08 Jun 2005, 12:48

If Nora Batty offered me $1,000,000 for a roll in the hay, I would find it hard to resist.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 08 Jun 2005, 13:07

What if Robert Redford offered Pal Of Porty $1,000,000 ?

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 08 Jun 2005, 13:24

Dadaist wrote:What if Robert Redford offered Pal Of Porty $1,000,000 ?

Now that you have established what I am - we would only have to haggle about the price!

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 09 Jun 2005, 02:43

Bellybabe wrote:
Porty wrote:I hope the guy is innocent.
He might well be found innocent, but that doesn't mean he actually is. .

Bellybabe, you go on to rant about your position. The trigger for you appears to be my statement, "I hope the guy is innocent" I, cold, calculating, considerate, willful, want Michael to be innocent. You may notice that I said "I hope the guy is innocent" not found, not considered, not conceptually, just innocent. LTNHHF

bellybabe · Post by **bellybabe** » 09 Jun 2005, 11:16

No dear, you didn't trigger my rant. I just quoted you as it seemed relevant, not because I misunderstood your meaning or thought you meant you hoped he'd be found innocent.
My apologies if I gave you to understand otherwise.
BB

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 09 Jun 2005, 11:50

Ignore me, i was T & E.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 09 Jun 2005, 11:52

Pal of Porty wrote:If Nora Batty offered me $1,000,000 for a roll in the hay, I would find it hard to resist.

So would she, she's bound to be on $2,000,000 at least.

bellybabe · Post by **bellybabe** » 09 Jun 2005, 11:54

Porty wrote:Ignore me, i was T & E.

Yes, I got that impression...

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 09 Jun 2005, 12:09

Porty wrote:Ignore me, i was T & E.

On a Wednesday night........ and with Sunday's big race looming?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 09 Jun 2005, 12:34

Marya wrote:
Porty wrote:Ignore me, i was T & E.
On a Wednesday night........ and with Sunday's big race looming?

It was my POL birthday.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 09 Jun 2005, 12:52

Can I have 2 POL birthdays.

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 09 Jun 2005, 14:28

Dadaist wrote:Can I have 2 POL birthdays.

Are you twins, split personality or the Queen?

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 09 Jun 2005, 16:37

More like a case of reincarnation Foxy

Mind you it's worth thinking about Dada. I'd qualify for 2 as well

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 09 Jun 2005, 18:30

Marya wrote:More like a case of reincarnation Foxy
Mind you it's worth thinking about Dada. I'd qualify for 2 as well

Who did you used to be Marya

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 09 Jun 2005, 18:39

Porty wrote: LTNHHF

??????
What does that stand for? Or shouldn't I ask?

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 09 Jun 2005, 18:44

Foxy wrote: Who did you used to be Marya

Oh it's pretty boring Foxy, just Maria instead of Marya. POL went through a domain name transfer (?) and for some reason I couldn't log on so had to modify my user name and re-register.
Have you ever known anybody go through regression hypnosis? I'd have more time for it if it wasn't for the fact that you never hear of anyone who had a mundane past existence. They've all been Marie Antoinette or someone similar

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 09 Jun 2005, 18:49

Marya wrote:
Foxy wrote: Who did you used to be Marya
Oh it's pretty boring Foxy, just Maria instead of Marya. POL went through a domain name transfer (?) and for some reason I couldn't log on so had to modify my user name and re-register.
Have you ever known anybody go through regression hypnosis? I'd have more time for it if it wasn't for the fact that you never hear of anyone who had a mundane past existence. They've all been Marie Antoinette or someone similar

Spooky that you said Marie Antoinette, when you used to be Maria and now you're Marya. Just a coincidence...maybe not

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 09 Jun 2005, 18:50

Well I do like cake...

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 09 Jun 2005, 18:52

Marya wrote:Well I do like cake...

..the cake's for them not you

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 09 Jun 2005, 18:59

ecm wrote:
Porty wrote: LTNHHF

??????
What does that stand for? Or shouldn't I ask?

I can't remember.

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:07

Porty wrote:
ecm wrote:
Porty wrote: LTNHHF

??????
What does that stand for? Or shouldn't I ask?
I can't remember.

DG · Post by DG » 13 Jun 2005, 08:38

Nothing to do with the trail but ... This needs sound and hope the link works!

http://www.StupidVideos.com/?VideoID=1004

DG

Gemini · Post by **Gemini** » 14 Jun 2005, 00:06

Jackson - found not Guilty on all counts.

http://www.msn.co.uk/htx/jacksontrial/

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 14 Jun 2005, 09:20

I am glad he is innocent. And I fully expect a resurgence in his career.

No-one gives MJ credit for predicting this type of trouble many years ago. It can't be easy being a major star, living in sunny California, having to live a life of relative isolation, much of it under the cover of darkness and having all the money you need to have a perennial party.

Jackson firmly stated,years ago, that when the poop did hit the fan he was strong enough to cope with the sunshine, the moonlight and even the good times. However, the root of his troubles would ultimately prove to be the boogie. How right he was.

Poppy · Post by **Poppy** » 14 Jun 2005, 09:31

having all the money you need to have a perennial party

Shame he appears to be bankrupt, then