Get Rid

[Porty]

Charles Clarke has announced new guidelines for cleansing the UK of potential terrorists. There may be some concerns about civil liberties and so on. However, I believe the majority of people would sacrifice some civil liberties in exchange for a safer and more secure UK. Here are the details in bullet points as detailed by the BBC:

• Here are the main points of those plans.
  · New grounds for deporting and excluding people from the UK - including fostering hatred or, advocating and justifying violence to further beliefs. The powers will cover statements already on record.
  
  · Agreements with other countries, such as Jordan, to ensure people can be deported to their nations of origin without being tortured or ill-treated
  · Amend human rights laws, if necessary, to prevent legal obstacles to new deportation rules
  
  · Home secretary automatically to consider deporting any foreigner involved in listed extremist bookshops, centres, organisations and websites
  
  · Make justifying or glorifying terrorism anywhere an offence
  
  · Automatically refuse asylum to anyone with anything to do with terrorism anywhere
  
  · Consult on setting a maximum time limit for extraditions to other countries - Tony Blair has said it was unacceptable that Rashid Ramda, wanted for the Paris Metro bombing 10 years ago, was still in the UK
  
  · Examine calls for police to be able to hold terror suspects for longer before pressing charges
  
  · Use more control orders against British terror suspects, who cannot be deported
  
  · Increase the number of special judges hearing terror cases
  · Already announced were plans to ban the Hizb ut Tahrir and the successor organisation of Al-Muhajiroun - and look at whether the grounds for banning such groups need to be widened
  
  · Review the threshold for gaining British citizenship and establish, with the Muslim community, a commission to advise how to better integrate parts of the community "presently inadequately integrated"
  
  · Create a list of foreign preachers who will be kept out of the UK and consult on creating new powers to close places of worship used to foment extremism
  
  · Use biometric visas for those from designated countries and compiling a database so people whose views or activities pose a threat to UK security can be kept out of the country. They could only appeal against the decision from overseas.

[dccairns]

Well, I hope the penultimate point will extend to people like the odious Pat Robertson.

[Porty]

Agreed, I believe he would fall perfectly into that category. Mind you there would probably other grounds for letting him in.

[Dadaist]

Hilarious!!

Nice one Porty, I wish I could make up stuff as wacky as that.

Terry Gilliam surrenders!

[Porty]

Nice one Porty, I wish I could make up stuff as wacky as that.

No way! Your understanding of reality is wackier than that.

[Dadaist]

Nice one Porty, I wish I could make up stuff as wacky as that.

No way! Your understanding of reality is wackier than that.

No it isn't.

[Dadaist]

NEW - all the asbo kids are playing it : dance dance terror mania

make curfew pass faster with this new Kerrazy Playstation Plug-In

perform the following moves - impress your friends - and remember to
text in your details to Group 5 (the trading name of the now-privatized MI5)
who will "process your details" into their domestic counter-terrorist matrix
and work out if you're a suspect - oops sorry - winner !!!

You hip? Wanna get down with the moves? Okaay here goes :

the "pencil" - a new dictionary with the definition for terrorist in pencil
so we can rub it out and re-define it at will

the "dracula" - cos that human rights legislation we signed sure is a pain
in the neck

the "half-nelson" - so we can turn a blind eye when our death squads operate overseas

the "full-nelson" - cos Mandela's not a terrorist. no wait, yes he is. well
was. no, but he's one of the good ones - you know - freedom fighter. oh,
right.

the "horlicks" - so you can turn in your neighbours before bedtime

the "chicken and egg" - which came first - legislation to incite racial
hatred, or legislation to ban incitement to racial hatred?

the "bible" - the mother of all extremist literature

the "mantra" - cos if you use the words muslim and terrorist enough times,
we're bound to get the message eventually

the "squared circle" - cos those people at Tiananmenn that the Chinese said were terrorists weren't - no - yes - oh i don't know, i just think what the government says is right. no, just our government silly!

LEARN THESE MOVES AND YOU TOO CAN GO ON A GUANTANAMO HOLIDAY!!!!

[xxxx]

There may be some concerns about civil liberties and so on. However, I believe the majority of people would sacrifice some civil liberties in exchange for a safer and more secure UK.

I must be in the minority then. I don't think we should be so cavalier about civil liberties 'and so on'. They did not appear by magic. These were hard won by people braver than ourselves. The exchange is not an equal one, while we will definitely lose some liberties and increase arbitrary executive power, there is no guarantee we will receive security in return.

[Gemini]

There may be some concerns about civil liberties and so on. However, I believe the majority of people would sacrifice some civil liberties in exchange for a safer and more secure UK.

I must be in the minority then. I don't think we should be so cavalier about civil liberties 'and so on'. They did not appear by magic. These were hard won by people braver than ourselves. The exchange is not an equal one, while we will definitely lose some liberties and increase arbitrary executive power, there is no guarantee we will receive security in return.

I totally agree with xxxx

[bellybabe]

cleansing the UK of potential terrorists.

Everyone is a potential terrorist. Every single one of us. Everyone is a potential anything. I'd be another of xxxx's "minority".

[dccairns]

Me too.

[bellybabe]

the odious Pat Robertson.

Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practise witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

- Pat Robertson, 1992

Well, I can't quite bring myself to do the children in, but hey, feminism works for me.

Presumably Blair's going to have to be deported because of the new laws. For our protection, obviously.

[Porty]

I'm not getting into another argument at this stage, to weary from the last lot.

I will say that whilst xxxx makes a very valid point and BB, dc and gemini agree with his stance. I believe you are all firmly in the minority. Not that it makes you wrong but it does make it unlikely that you will acheve whatever balance you would like to achieve. JMHO

[foxy]

Everyone is a potential terrorist. Every single one of us. Everyone is a potential anything.

Sorry BB I can't agree with this statement. I am not a potential terrorist any more than I am a potential rapist

[Porty]

Everyone is a potential anything.

Gazza is a potential Pope?

[Dadaist]

Everyone is a potential anything.

Gazza is a potential Pope?

Dude, I became a Moderator of the Church of POL. There but for the grace of God go you.