Paedophile Teachers

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 20 Jan 2006, 16:40

Watching the news last night I felt scunnered when I heard Ruth Kelly announce that even those people who have been cautioned regarding sex "crimes" will be placed on the register and banned from teaching. I feel very uncomfortable about this.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 20 Jan 2006, 19:23

It's such a fine dividing line isn't it? Is an 18 year old man (or woman for that matter) who has sex with a consenting 15 year old girl/boy really a sex offender for instance?

Poppy · Post by **Poppy** » 20 Jan 2006, 19:28

Epykat wrote:It's such a fine dividing line isn't it? Is an 18 year old man (or woman for that matter) who has sex with a consenting 15 year old girl/boy really a sex offender for instance?

Esp in the case of Mr Gibson - he and the girl have now been married for 20 years!!

It certainly shows lack of judgement at the time but hardly makes him a danger now?

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 20 Jan 2006, 19:32

Poppy wrote:
Epykat wrote:It's such a fine dividing line isn't it? Is an 18 year old man (or woman for that matter) who has sex with a consenting 15 year old girl/boy really a sex offender for instance?
Esp in the case of Mr Gibson - he and the girl have now been married for 20 years!!

It certainly shows lack of judgement at the time but hardly makes him a danger now?

Was he a teacher at the time? It's a difficult one with teachers and pupils. They are, after all, in a position of trust. It's like Doctors and patients. I'd be a bit worried about a teacher having a relationship with a student whilst the student was still at school and even more worried if they were anything less than 6th year - does that technically make him/her a paedophile? As I said, it's a very fine dividing line.

Poppy · Post by **Poppy** » 20 Jan 2006, 19:44

Epykat wrote:
Poppy wrote:
Epykat wrote:It's such a fine dividing line isn't it? Is an 18 year old man (or woman for that matter) who has sex with a consenting 15 year old girl/boy really a sex offender for instance?
Esp in the case of Mr Gibson - he and the girl have now been married for 20 years!!

It certainly shows lack of judgement at the time but hardly makes him a danger now?
Was he a teacher at the time? It's a difficult one with teachers and pupils. They are, after all, in a position of trust. It's like Doctors and patients. I'd be a bit worried about a teacher having a relationship with a student whilst the student was still at school and even more worried if they were anything less than 6th year - does that technically make him/her a paedophile? As I said, it's a very fine dividing line.

I think he was? That's partly what I meant about lack of judgement - applies anyway, but even more so in a position of trust.

I would have said that a 'true' paedophile is one who is sexually attracted to children BECAUSE they are children.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 20 Jan 2006, 20:14

Poppy wrote:I would have said that a 'true' paedophile is one who is sexually attracted to children BECAUSE they are children.

I agree. Certainly anybody who looks at and/or downloads child porn should not be given a second chance to work with children. Whether they would take the next step of actually putting it into practice is neither here nor there and they should be on the sex offenders list. I'd still tend to think that the 18year old/15 year old scenario is a different matter.

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 20 Jan 2006, 20:29

Poppy wrote:
Epykat wrote:It's such a fine dividing line isn't it? Is an 18 year old man (or woman for that matter) who has sex with a consenting 15 year old girl/boy really a sex offender for instance?
Esp in the case of Mr Gibson - he and the girl have now been married for 20 years!!

It certainly shows lack of judgement at the time but hardly makes him a danger now?

Mr Gibson is now 59 and was charged in 1980. By my reckoning he must have been 33 years old when he had his 'relationship' with his 15 year old pupil. I have no sympathy at all for the man. It just reminds me of that 'Little Britain' sketch where the girl marries her teacher.

Interestingly enough, his ex-wife's parents still disapprove of him, even though he had 19 years of being married to their daughter to change their minds!

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 20 Jan 2006, 20:35

There is definitely something unsavoury about a man that age being interested in a girl of 15. It's not as if they could sit and have meaningful conversations

Poppy · Post by **Poppy** » 20 Jan 2006, 20:56

Epykat wrote:There is definitely something unsavoury about a man that age being interested in a girl of 15. It's not as if they could sit and have meaningful conversations

True, men are still fairly immature at 33!!!

Mate of Marya · Post by **Mate of Marya** » 21 Jan 2006, 10:34

Our Education Secretary does have controversial beliefs.......
Seemingly, Ruth Kelly is a member of Opus Dei, a Roman Catholic orgainisation that follows a strict Vatican line on contraception, embryo research, cloning and abortion.
Ms Kelly, who has a responsibility for a Â£1 billion research budget, oppossed motions on embryo research in Parliament and is reported to have told Tony Blair that she could never support stem-cell research.
Leading scientists are concerned that the Education Secretary's conservative views on stem-cell research could affect vital science in Britain.

Robin! · Post by **Robin!** » 21 Jan 2006, 13:45

What about a certain Mr Rix head Coach at Hearts.

Mate of Marya · Post by **Mate of Marya** » 21 Jan 2006, 14:06

A poor appointment since Hearts are always advocating that they are a "family club." I assume Rix will not be allowed to work with the under 16 squad since he has now found himself on the Sex Offenders Register.

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 21 Jan 2006, 15:23

Mate of Marya wrote:I assume Rix will not be allowed to work with the under 16 squad since he has now found himself on the Sex Offenders Register.

He is allowed to work with the 16's and under but only when accompanied by other staff members. He is not allowed to take sessions on his own.

With regard to being a family club, what Hearts have done is to offer someone employment who has done his crime and served his time. Why should he not be allowed to integrate himself back into society to follow his chosen career. The vast majority of the time he is working with adult males and the restrictions implemented regarding 16's and under provide safeguards. The club should be commended for its actions. Is prison not meant to be about rehabilitation?

Mate of Marya · Post by **Mate of Marya** » 21 Jan 2006, 15:46

He is fortunate to follow a career which can give him the opportunity to integrate back into society. It is a good job he isn't a teacher!

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 22 Jan 2006, 19:37

Mate of Marya wrote:He is fortunate to follow a career which can give him the opportunity to integrate back into society.

He is indeed.