I know this is for a good cause but I feel I must inquire as to whether that's real methadone in the container being held in the photo?
If so, it's a bit of a sick joke (although I'm sure it wasn't intended as such) against recovering addicts by people supposed to be health professionals.
I know it must have been difficult to come up with a film related to chemistry, but if that's methadone then to my mind the Jekyll & Hyde stunt is an unwitting slur.
Remove the context of the PCATS campaign - if you turned up at your local Funeral Director only to find that the guy (or girl) was dressed up as Dracula would you not feel a bit peeved?
Maybe youse should have done a whole addicts theme, with the ubiquitous Findlays serving up cold turkey?
PCATS Calendar - Allan's Chemist Photo
(and I presume methadone's green?)I just thought it was general knowledge that it could be green.
http://uk.geocities.com/brown_addict/methadone.htm
http://uk.geocities.com/brown_addict/methadone.htm
It is general knowledge if you care...
But why should people if it does not directly effect their life!
and yes, I knew methadone was green, but I used to work in a chemist. I wouldnt expect anyone else, apart from someone in contact with it, through whatever means, to know.
But why should people if it does not directly effect their life!
and yes, I knew methadone was green, but I used to work in a chemist. I wouldnt expect anyone else, apart from someone in contact with it, through whatever means, to know.
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Actually, even though its none of your business, I did not....Did You?
And why the sudden high and mighty attitude? dada im not the establishment!
As you know I was referring to Methadone... I would not expect anyone to know what it looks like, why would you?? Methadone is not really an integral part of most people’s everyday lives.
I mean, according to your way of thinking... God forbid Haddows have a promotion in their window.... that may knock a recovering alcoholic of the wagon…
And why the sudden high and mighty attitude? dada im not the establishment!
As you know I was referring to Methadone... I would not expect anyone to know what it looks like, why would you?? Methadone is not really an integral part of most people’s everyday lives.
I mean, according to your way of thinking... God forbid Haddows have a promotion in their window.... that may knock a recovering alcoholic of the wagon…
Is Man The Dream Of The Dolphin??
It is my business since you decided to ask me why people should care about things which don't affect them. You may think people are like that, but I don't.CatzVP wrote:Actually, even though its none of your business, I did not....Did You?
And why the sudden high and mighty attitude? dada im not the establishment!
As you know I was referring to Methadone... I would not expect anyone to know what it looks like, why would you?? Methadone is not really an integral part of most people’s everyday lives.
I mean, according to your way of thinking... God forbid Haddows have a promotion in their window.... that may knock a recovering alcoholic of the wagon…
You're correct about Haddows though. Cheap and readily available booze and the whole issue of happy hours and promos are quite a hot political topic at the moment. Even though you just meant it as a joke. Just go to the BBC News page search facility and type in "alcohol".
Dadaist, turning round my points of view, to change the context, is pretty immature.
Recovering 'anything' unless cut off completely from the world have to see Television, read books of magazines, go to the movies. All which are full of drugs and alcohol, Even anti drug advertisements contain images of drugs. Do you actually think all the above should be banned, so not to offend? I don't. That’s called freedom of expression.
I have known three people who have come off drugs, one took his own life because it was too hard, and I still can never understand fully what they went through, because I didn't go through it myself. But the rest of the world shouldn’t have to pay, by having their rights removed just in case they unintentionally offend. If someone intentionally offends then he is an asshole and we know the world is full of them.
But this is the real world and not some kind of Utopia (if it was, drugs wouldn't exist) and so, we the 'nonholics' or ‘nonaddicts’ should be able to live in our world, without being told how wrong we are.
Obviously this is a subject close to your heart, I can see that by your threads, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the world is wrong. What it boils down to is they were having a bit of fun to raise money for a cause(Allan’s, although not the chemist I used to work in) are good 5hits, and would never take the p1ss out of anyone.
So yes I am against your point, recovering Alcoholics and Addicts will buy the calander, but they also live in the real world of which we all have rights. ]
We can agree to disagree on this thread Dadaist.
Recovering 'anything' unless cut off completely from the world have to see Television, read books of magazines, go to the movies. All which are full of drugs and alcohol, Even anti drug advertisements contain images of drugs. Do you actually think all the above should be banned, so not to offend? I don't. That’s called freedom of expression.
I have known three people who have come off drugs, one took his own life because it was too hard, and I still can never understand fully what they went through, because I didn't go through it myself. But the rest of the world shouldn’t have to pay, by having their rights removed just in case they unintentionally offend. If someone intentionally offends then he is an asshole and we know the world is full of them.
But this is the real world and not some kind of Utopia (if it was, drugs wouldn't exist) and so, we the 'nonholics' or ‘nonaddicts’ should be able to live in our world, without being told how wrong we are.
Obviously this is a subject close to your heart, I can see that by your threads, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the world is wrong. What it boils down to is they were having a bit of fun to raise money for a cause(Allan’s, although not the chemist I used to work in) are good 5hits, and would never take the p1ss out of anyone.
So yes I am against your point, recovering Alcoholics and Addicts will buy the calander, but they also live in the real world of which we all have rights. ]
We can agree to disagree on this thread Dadaist.
Is Man The Dream Of The Dolphin??
Whoah cowboy. You start a statement by saying my argument is immature and end with a note of finality (we are to agree to disagree) which points to the fact that you consider the debate closed? Do I get a chance to respond?CatzVP wrote:Dadaist, turning round my points of view, to change the context, is pretty immature.
Recovering 'anything' unless cut off completely from the world have to see Television, read books of magazines, go to the movies. All which are full of drugs and alcohol, Even anti drug advertisements contain images of drugs. Do you actually think all the above should be banned, so not to offend? I don't. That’s called freedom of expression.
I have known three people who have come off drugs, one took his own life because it was too hard, and I still can never understand fully what they went through, because I didn't go through it myself. But the rest of the world shouldn’t have to pay, by having their rights removed just in case they unintentionally offend. If someone intentionally offends then he is an asshole and we know the world is full of them.
But this is the real world and not some kind of Utopia (if it was, drugs wouldn't exist) and so, we the 'nonholics' or ‘nonaddicts’ should be able to live in our world, without being told how wrong we are.
Obviously this is a subject close to your heart, I can see that by your threads, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the world is wrong. What it boils down to is they were having a bit of fun to raise money for a cause(Allan’s, although not the chemist I used to work in) are good 5hits, and would never take the p1ss out of anyone.
So yes I am against your point, recovering Alcoholics and Addicts will buy the calander, but they also live in the real world of which we all have rights. ]
We can agree to disagree on this thread Dadaist.
Of course you do... its a free country, as long as it doesn't involve changing the context of my argument. You mentioned I said your argument was immature... I did not....I said your manipulation of my views were.
And I ended it as I did because it would end up a no win situation on both sides, and at least we could agree on something.
And I ended it as I did because it would end up a no win situation on both sides, and at least we could agree on something.
Is Man The Dream Of The Dolphin??
I find this whole thread slightly bizarre, but kind of enjoyable too. And I am of course taking the whole thing completely seriously.
However, if I were to take this deadly seriously, I would still find it rather odd. Life for recovering addicts is not easy...and it's of course possible that recovering addicts might buy the calendar. It is also possible that they will be offended, because of how something they perceive to be one particular thing in a photo pertains to their own experience. But then...I have a problem with drugs. Um...not quite how it sounded. I find conversations about drugs difficult to hear or take part in, and get very stressed by it; being around people using recreational drugs other than alcohol is extremely hard for me, for reasons to do with a very specific set of personal circumstances. Nonetheless, I have to see it, hear it, listen to people joke about it, all the time. Nobody allows for the context of my experience because they don't know what it is. I don't therefore expect them to...and it happens a lot on this forum. I have to agree with the sentiment that we live in the real world (well, not here, we don't, but normally!) and not in splendid isolation, where we can be protected from anything difficult.
And after all, there might be many people out there with a methadone script who haven't in fact lost their sense of humour. That photo might actually represent exactly how they feel about the prescription. It's arrogant to assume we know how recovering/recovered addicts will respond to something, without ever asking them.
And a pint of snakebite, which it might also represent, could easily turn someone into Mr...oh crap, I can never remember which way round it is!
However, if I were to take this deadly seriously, I would still find it rather odd. Life for recovering addicts is not easy...and it's of course possible that recovering addicts might buy the calendar. It is also possible that they will be offended, because of how something they perceive to be one particular thing in a photo pertains to their own experience. But then...I have a problem with drugs. Um...not quite how it sounded. I find conversations about drugs difficult to hear or take part in, and get very stressed by it; being around people using recreational drugs other than alcohol is extremely hard for me, for reasons to do with a very specific set of personal circumstances. Nonetheless, I have to see it, hear it, listen to people joke about it, all the time. Nobody allows for the context of my experience because they don't know what it is. I don't therefore expect them to...and it happens a lot on this forum. I have to agree with the sentiment that we live in the real world (well, not here, we don't, but normally!) and not in splendid isolation, where we can be protected from anything difficult.
And after all, there might be many people out there with a methadone script who haven't in fact lost their sense of humour. That photo might actually represent exactly how they feel about the prescription. It's arrogant to assume we know how recovering/recovered addicts will respond to something, without ever asking them.
And a pint of snakebite, which it might also represent, could easily turn someone into Mr...oh crap, I can never remember which way round it is!
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