Could I please use this as a quote at a later date.......?Dadaist wrote:Even if you don't like things about where you are now, think of all the people you made happy because they got to live in your old house and appreciate your impeccable colour matching and wallpaper/carpet choosing skills.Epykat wrote:I've also ended up crying into my remote control as I strive to put the sound up loud enough to drown out the four part route 26s which are sitting outside my window revving up.........all at the same time
Streetscape improvements
Enough of your nonsense - get back to the Play Pen!
Yeah, and the annoying thing is that not only do I have to squint and peer at buses to try and get the number before the guy belts past (I've flagged down the wrong bus before as well as recognising my bus too late) I also sometimes think a 4 is a 44 and don't have the heart to not get on it even though it doesn't take me all the way home. Sad, really. I need a monocle.Sandra wrote:ah so thats how you couldn't see which bus was coming on Friday pm outside your place of workDadaist wrote: because I am short-sighted
Trees in High Street
Why are they taking the trees away outside Sibbalds the travel agents. It is very sad, they were lovely when in full bloom.
CHERRY BLOSSOM MASSACRE
THE TREES OUTSDIE KITCHENERS ARE BEING CHOPPED DOWN RIGHT NOW!!!
Fone this number and complain - 0131 529 7739
Fone this number and complain - 0131 529 7739
I was absolutely devastated to see the first tree being hacked to pieces as I went ot the library today.
I spoke to the workmen, who were employed by a private company and I explaind that the last I'd heard was that a botanist from the Botanic Garndens said that the trees had another 150years in them.
Anyway, I called the council and while waiting on a call back read this thread and looked at the drawings. When he did call back, he stated that yes the trees were being replanted a few feet away and that the shallow roots of the cherry blossoms caused paving problems.
I explained that this didn't wash with me as there are countless paving problems all over porty and elsewhere and indeed the Eveing News carries a section about repairs which have been unattended for years.
He then explained that the "Independant" botanist from the botanic Gardens said the plants were diseased. What did they have - bird flu?
I have taken the liberty of procurrong two large pieces of the trunks (if you saw a woman with child and a wheel barrow this morning - it was moi). I wonder if they are diseased - are all the cherry blossoms in peoples gardens round this area diseased as well?
It was very sad. The new plans look like Portobello is being turned into a futuristic concrete and stell with uniformed plants IMPO this is cr*p.
Retaining period features,buildings and a village type scene would be much more my cuppa tea.
Ach well, at least I've got some new seats for my garden.
I spoke to the workmen, who were employed by a private company and I explaind that the last I'd heard was that a botanist from the Botanic Garndens said that the trees had another 150years in them.
Anyway, I called the council and while waiting on a call back read this thread and looked at the drawings. When he did call back, he stated that yes the trees were being replanted a few feet away and that the shallow roots of the cherry blossoms caused paving problems.
I explained that this didn't wash with me as there are countless paving problems all over porty and elsewhere and indeed the Eveing News carries a section about repairs which have been unattended for years.
He then explained that the "Independant" botanist from the botanic Gardens said the plants were diseased. What did they have - bird flu?
I have taken the liberty of procurrong two large pieces of the trunks (if you saw a woman with child and a wheel barrow this morning - it was moi). I wonder if they are diseased - are all the cherry blossoms in peoples gardens round this area diseased as well?
It was very sad. The new plans look like Portobello is being turned into a futuristic concrete and stell with uniformed plants IMPO this is cr*p.
Retaining period features,buildings and a village type scene would be much more my cuppa tea.
Ach well, at least I've got some new seats for my garden.
MrsMc, I agree it's a great shame, but have to say one did look very poorly in the autumn compared to the others - they were still leafy and it was totally bare.
Enjoy your seats!! Good for you - Re-use Re-cycle Re-whatsit!!! (Can never remember all three at once!).
Edit - the third (well, actually first) in the slogan is Reduce!!
Enjoy your seats!! Good for you - Re-use Re-cycle Re-whatsit!!! (Can never remember all three at once!).
Edit - the third (well, actually first) in the slogan is Reduce!!
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From Lawrence Marshall. I have advised him that the drawings are also available in pdf form on this thread.
Dear All
I know that some of you have been shocked today to see most of the cherry trees just to the west of Portobello Town Hall being chopped down.
This is all part of the Phase 2 improvements to Portobello High Street which have been presented to, discussed by and agreed by both Portobello Amenity Society and Portobello Community Council over the last months. The Spring 2006 edition of the "Portobello Reporter" also carried a short article on this work.
PAS have a tree expert of national standing and he agreed with the Council's view of the existing trees. Thus, all but the single biggest of the cherry trees are being cut down. These three were diseased, not in good condition, had been damaged by renewal/repair of services and were lifting the pavement. They also hid the shops behind. Cherry trees are undoubtedly nice when in blossom but produce a lot of foliage which gives rise to a slip hazard when wet. In the autumn they produce berries which also fall to the ground and present a slip hazard. They also attract insects.
It's true that this would also apply to the cherry tree to be kept - but it is in far better health than the others.
The three apple trees to replace the cherry trees will also flower, if not so spectacularly as the cherry trees, and will allow more light onto the pavement cafe and shops here.
By the Bank of Scotland, the current tree layout doesn't really suit the creation of a civic space here as the trees are dotted all about. The proposal is to replant three of the Ginko trees here in Rosefield Park. New Ginko trees will take their place in a line with an additional 4 apple trees. The trees in front of the bank will line up with those in front of the shops.
A plan of all the work involved in Phase 2 is available to view on the noticeboard in front of the Bank of Scotland. Stuart Smith, one of the officers who have worked closely with local community organisations and businesses on this, has just given me a couple of boards relating to this work which I'll bring along to tonight's meeting of Portobello Community Council. I understand that the library had a few for a few weeks but don't really have the space to keep them - so I'll maybe see if I can place them in the window of the Labour Rooms or Susan Deacon's office so that you can view them at your leisure or when you're having a fag while drinking at Forester's!
I've pasted in below a few bits and pieces of information relating to this which Stuart Smith has forwarded to me. His colleague Simon Lievesley has also been down in Portobello today.
Finally, the bus stops on the north side of Portobello High Street opposite the Town Hall are being split with buses heading to Joppa stopping at the bus stop nearest Bath Street and those turning right into Brighton Place now stopping just to the east of Beach Lane. This will allow such buses room to get in the right hand lane in Portobello High Street to turn into Brighton Place and, as a consequence, the pavement near the top of Bath Street will be slightly narrowed to allow two separate lanes of traffic here and thus hopefully preventing the current traffic hold-ups at this junction.
Lawrence
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Portobello High Street 6565
Phase 2
Existing Cherry Trees –7no Prunus avium, Gean (Tags 857-863) - North side footway outside shops
Proposal
To replace trees with 4 trees of a different species in a row further away from buildings. This would open up views to the shops from the road and create a large space in front of the shops, which they could use during good weather.
The proposal is part of a larger project to improve/reinstate pedestrian areas in Portobello High Street outside the main shopping areas, as part of the Council’s Town Centre Improvement Programme. The aims of the project are to improve safety, make the area more accessible and provide a cleaner and more pleasant environment for pedestrians, shoppers and businesses.
Reasons for this proposal
Create an area with a sense of place. It is suggested that consideration be given to replacing the existing trees in the two large pedestrian areas as this will help to link these two areas together.
The trees could be aligned with the road to create an avenue affect and thus helping to link the two areas.
Improve visibility and reduce dark areas to allow passing trade to see local shops and facilities. The existing trees in both areas are of an inappropriate species for urban street trees planted in a footpath. Prunus trees have large spreading low canopies, which cause areas of considerable shade / darkness, making it difficult to view the shop frontages/name signs from the road. Reducing the number of trees, changing their species to a fastigate (columnar) shaped tree and moving them closer to the road will improve the visibility of the shops and reduce areas of darkness.
Also, moving the trees nearer the road will create a divide between passing pedestrians and thus provide a larger space outside the shops, which they could use.
Improve pedestrian safety. Rootheave causing considerable damage to surrounding footway in 6no of the trees. Prunus have shallow roots that with age tend to cause this problem to footways. Pavement disruption causes safety issues/ trip hazards for pedestrians, and liability issues for Council.
Other Factors
When these trees were planted there was not such a considerable number of underground services (pipes and cables). The tree roots are likely to have been damaged or restricted by public utilities. Therefore the stability of these trees may be undermined, although this is very unlikely as cherry trees tend to have strong vigorous root systems. New trees would be planted ensuring their root systems are well protected and the trees would be well anchored in the ground.
Pros/Cons
Potential Options
- Considerable maturity of trees
Trees cause areas of considerable shade/darkness
Add scale to streetscape
Rootheave causing damage to surrounding pavement
Well liked by local people
Canker and Gummosis in 4 of the trees
Seasonal Blossom die back in 2 of the trees
Poor shape in 4 of the trees
- Remove trees and replant
Retain trees and create distinct area with ground cope around trees to alleviate problems with safety for pedestrians caused by root heave. Prune back and thin out tree canopies to lighten up area under trees and improve the visibility of the shop frontages.
Just a Thought
Just a thought, correct me if I’m wrong but is the remaining Cherry tree on the High street not the same tree that has caused the most extensive root damage to the surrounding paving slaps.
It will be interesting to see how the over come this little problem when the new slabs are laid.
It will be interesting to see how the over come this little problem when the new slabs are laid.
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ceejam wrote:What happens to the 17 buses that go East every day and don't come back?
Is there a huge bus pile in Dunbar or something
"A bus, in theory, gives you a terrifically fast method of traveling from place to place. Traffic jams, on the other hand, give you a terrific opportunity to stay still."
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New pavements at adelphi place.
As I am writing this there are two vans parked on the new pavement which was just all relaid a few months ago. This should not be allowed as this is how the pavements get damaged. Dont understand workmen. ALSO they have dug up the road again at adelphi place, must still be looking for gold!!!
Marble columns at the Bank of Scotland
Does anyone know what the 4 marble columns are meant to be . Everytime i pass them I expect to see ashtrays perched on top of them.
Re: Marble columns at the Bank of Scotland
That was my first thought too! But maybe it's Art??!!susie wrote:Does anyone know what the 4 marble columns are meant to be . Everytime i pass them I expect to see ashtrays perched on top of them.
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I've now merged this thread with the existing one on streetscape improvements.
If you look back at the drawings, you will see that the bollards are of granite construction and it looks like there should be 8 in total:
Proposals Layout Plan 3.76MB
Proposals Information and Details 3.95MB
If you look back at the drawings, you will see that the bollards are of granite construction and it looks like there should be 8 in total:
Proposals Layout Plan 3.76MB
Proposals Information and Details 3.95MB
Re: Marble columns at the Bank of Scotland
I got chatting to the clerk of works when he saw me looking at them with a puzzled expression on my face. Bewilderingly, the 2 next to the Town Hall (I haven't noticed the other 2 yet) are supposed to stop traffic going on to the pavement. There is still room to get a truck on to the pavement as far as I can see, but one of them certainly makes it difficult to get a bicycle into the bike park.susie wrote:Does anyone know what the 4 marble columns are meant to be . Everytime i pass them I expect to see ashtrays perched on top of them.
They're not marble, but Chinese granite, which is very cheap at the moment because it's quarried by kids.
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Christ, thats a whole new puddle for Wangi to photograph. If he logs on again in Houston and sees it he'll be on the first plane back.Bob Jefferson wrote:There have been some complaints about the quality of the work. In particular, there seems to be a drainage problem. This photo shows a puddle in a dip in the paving outside the travel agents.
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From Maureen Child:
My apologies for some repeat postings!! For some of you, this is a No 26 bus, nothing for a while, then three come along at once!
The contractor is intending Sunday working to carry out preparation works to the four corners at the main Portobello High Street junction in advance of surfacing works. Sunday working is required to do this safely because the volume of traffic - pedestrian and vehicules - is lower. Temporary traffic and pedestrian management systems will be installed. Some outstanding grouting outside Victoria Wine will also be undertaken where pedestrian access is tight. The contractor will not commence works before 9:30.
So avoid driving along Porty High Street this Sunday!
Maureen
Snow, i think the forecast is about -10C. Right on the Continental Divide, 7000ft up...Porty wrote:Good puddles?wangi wrote:Actually at home just now, but off to Wyoming next week!
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From Stuart Smith, courtesy of Nick Stroud:
My update on progress is as follows:
Timescale:
A number of issues have impacted on the original timescale, many outwith the control of our contractor. For instance the overrunning of the Brighton Place works and their associated traffic management; unexpected ground conditions in the road requiring redesign and additional works; emergency Scottish Power works in the footway and carriageway and the requirement during the contract to undertake far more comprehensive works to the traffic signals than originally envisaged. We are seeking as speedy a conclusion as practicable. Completion is still dependant upon others completing their works. Currently the works taking place are snagging and remedial works. We are also now required to include Real Time Information apparatus to serve the bus-stops. This will take place in the New Year. This work was not envisaged when the contract was let.
Drainage:
The project has sought to implement a more attractive and pedestrian friendly solution to footway drainage than previously existed – removing the channels and replacing them with additional gullies. Because of the generally flat nature of the site this has required particular attention to be paid to new levels, which in some instances requires remedial works where workmanship did not quite meet the exacting standard needed. Ponding at the south side of the High Street at the pedestrian crossing has now been addressed by installing gullies. On the footway near the junction of Brighton Place, it was caused by a late instruction to raise the kerb level resulting from a public transport agreement. The levels will be readjusted. Other minor ponding in this area will also be addressed. On the north side of the High Street, the contractor is preparing proposals to address smaller areas of ponding and to improve the levels at McColl’s. Any remedial works attributable to workmanship issues will not incur any additional cost to the Council.
Trees:
The row of trees proposed on the south footway outside the Bank of Scotland and the parade of shops to the west of the Town hall are still to be planted. It was intended that they would be planted at the end of the contract, which was reprogrammed for October/November but this work has now been agreed to be carried out in January/February next year. The reason for this is we did not want to cause any further disruption in the lead up to Christmas. The new Ginko trees in Brighton Place were to be planted last week but the trees selected by the contractor were rejected as they did not meet the specification. The contractor is sourcing new trees and is hoping to plant them before Christmas.
Community Noticeboard:
The original notice board outside the bank was re-erected but only lasted a weekend before falling down for reasons unknown. The contractor has organised a replacement board but is awaiting supply from Ballantines of Bo’ness. I will inform you when it will be installed.
Impact on Local Traders:
I note your concern but am a little surprised by your comment that these improvements have had a severe impact on local traders. Although the contract has taken longer than envisaged, I have only received written complaints from 2 businesses which we have responded to. The streetscape improvements are intended to improve the attractiveness of the town centre, encouraging public use and this in turn will help increase turnover for the shops.
These works have been carried out with the best intentions of all parties involved to reduce their impact on the local shops. There have been individual consultations with shop keepers by the contractor and myself to determine their requirements so as to minimise disruption to their businesses.
Additionally, to complement the improvements, the Council has produced a promotional 'Shopping and Services Directory' for Portobello, as part of its programme to support and improve local shopping centres. The traders have been involved in its development and it will be distributed locally during December.
I hope above addresses your concerns, but please don’t hesitate to contact me if you wish to discuss them in any more detail.
Kind Regards,
Stuart
Project Manager
Services for Communities
Development & Regeneration
Tel. 0131 529 3423
What a fantastic piece of writing. Cheered me up no end, that has. Problems with "minor ponding"... New words galore... "Seeking as speedy a conclusion as is practicable"... And thank goodness for Ballantines of Bo'ness. Where would we be without them?
I was thinking this should get an award from the Plain English society. The ducks must be very reassured that ponding problems will be fixed. Me, I'd prefer them to do something about the great big puddles everywhere.
I was thinking this should get an award from the Plain English society. The ducks must be very reassured that ponding problems will be fixed. Me, I'd prefer them to do something about the great big puddles everywhere.
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Latest update:
Improvements to the footway between Beach Lane and Figgate Place have been delayed due to funding issues and it is now 'unlikely this work will take place for some time'.
Remedial works to remove puddles in pavement areas (outside McColls and on corner of Brighton Place) where the new paving was not installed to the correct line and level are currently taking place. Once complete, which is estimated to take two weeks, the contractor will start on planting the new trees.
The other remaining works in the original contract that still require to be completed are:
Improvements to the footway between Beach Lane and Figgate Place have been delayed due to funding issues and it is now 'unlikely this work will take place for some time'.
Remedial works to remove puddles in pavement areas (outside McColls and on corner of Brighton Place) where the new paving was not installed to the correct line and level are currently taking place. Once complete, which is estimated to take two weeks, the contractor will start on planting the new trees.
The other remaining works in the original contract that still require to be completed are:
- Electricity supplies to the bus shelters on the north side and the bus shelter nearest the Town Hall on the south side
New Community Notice Board to be installed outside RBS. Other Notice Boards to be repaired (as raised by the Community Council)
Pruning of remaining cherry tree
Adjustments to stone bollards, bins and seats
Some remedial works to road surfacing, signs and carriageway line markings
I'm afraid I never waded through all the posts re the trees.But it took approximately 6 very long months to repave the mess that was there only for it to be dug up to plant the trees.Now,I may be missing something here but why was the present tree work not done when the paving was originally being re-laid.If there is no good reason why this is the case,has the person in charge of planning been sacked/demoted/billed for all the unneccessary expense to you and I as Council Tax payers?.I somehow do not think that will be the case.And whilst I am on the 'rant',when the first hollows/loose slabs start to appear in the newly paved area [which I fully expect to happen] will it be like the roads where it seems nobody is penalised or responsible for fixing the shoddy work, whether council or contractor?.And to finish off,the pavements further up towards Blades bike shop are appalling,like so much of our roads.As a cyclist I can only agree with the Norwegian touring cyclist who classed our roads as almost 3rd World like!!.
