10/01741/FUL - Bellfield Lane planning application

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Post by Franck » 25 Aug 2010, 16:34

Porty wrote:I understand that Councillor Stephen Hawkins, who is one of the 15 objectors, turned up at the Development Sub-Commitee and spoke at length in an attempt to persuade them to reject the application.

Can anyone tell us who he claimed to be representing?
Excellent news.

As for Hawkins, I find him to be a creep.Who votes for these zombies?

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Post by seanie » 25 Aug 2010, 16:42

Porty wrote:I understand that Councillor Stephen Hawkins, who is one of the 15 objectors, turned up at the Development Sub-Commitee and spoke at length in an attempt to persuade them to reject the application.
Did I mention the approval was unanimous?

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Post by Pal of Porty » 25 Aug 2010, 17:25

What a fantastic result - I am delighted to see that sense for such an outstanding development has been granted and that the project will contribute so positively to the well being of the family involved.

I was also pleased to see that Cllr Hawkins now chooses to exorcise his right to speak at Planning Sub Committee meetings to oppose Planning Applications in Portobello other than just my own application. 8)
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Post by Porty » 25 Aug 2010, 18:27

Pal of Porty wrote:
I was also pleased to see that Cllr Hawkins now chooses to exorcise his right to speak at Planning Sub Committee meetings to oppose Planning Applications in Portobello other than just my own application. 8)
Thing is, not so long ago, Stephen Hawkins made an application to build a two storey house on a piece of land in Portobello's conservation area, a little more than stones throw from this application- it was refused. Wouldn't it be interesting to publish his self penned supportive statement for his application and compare it his objection to this application?

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Post by rmolehusband » 25 Aug 2010, 22:02

That's good news indeed.

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Post by allaboardtheskylark » 25 Aug 2010, 23:08

seanie wrote:
Porty wrote:I understand that Councillor Stephen Hawkins, who is one of the 15 objectors, turned up at the Development Sub-Commitee and spoke at length in an attempt to persuade them to reject the application.
Did I mention the approval was unanimous?
Perhaps if he really wanted to stop it he should have spoken in favour.

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Post by Porty » 25 Aug 2010, 23:11

seanie wrote:
Porty wrote:I understand that Councillor Stephen Hawkins, who is one of the 15 objectors, turned up at the Development Sub-Commitee and spoke at length in an attempt to persuade them to reject the application.
Did I mention the approval was unanimous?
You didn't mention. Failed to secure one single vote? That equals his best performance to date when making deputations to the DSC.

I don;t know if he ever played team sports but he's the sort you'd want to smuggle into the opposition changing room and perform their team talk.. :lol:

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Post by Porty » 28 Aug 2010, 13:11

allaboardtheskylark wrote:
Perhaps if he (Cllr Stephen Hawkins) really wanted to stop it he should have spoken in favour.
You've got to question why he went along to a DSC meeting to speak against a minor planning application? We are talking about an application for a single dwelling house and one of our Councillors sets aside a morning, a sacrifice for both of his employers, to turn up and pitch for refusal.

To put things in perspective; I had reason to carry out research of Development Sub Committee meetings and in particular representations from Portobello Councillors. I went back as far as 2003 and until Hawkins became a Councillor, and still to this day, no other Portobello Councillor ever made representation on any "private" planning application. As far as I know, he has now appeared three times, although two appearances were to speak up against the same new build house in marlborough street.

I actual fact, over the last 8 years no other Portobello Councillor made a deputation to a DSC meeting on ANY matter.

As a Councillor he is perfecty entitled to make representation. When he chooses to speak against the planning application, who does claim to be representing?

It can't be the community because they are FOR by a factor of at very least 3 to 1.
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It can only be a personal representation, he used his councillor status to purse a personal objective. Basically he had it in for the family and tried to use his status as leverage. If you care to peruse the "associated documents" on the council planning portal. You can find his personal objection.

He sought, went out of his way, to attend a meeting to attempt to deny a family their new home, when the bulk of his constituents either wanted it to happen or didn't really care.

Creep doesn't cover it.

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Post by seashell » 29 Aug 2010, 18:52

These facts make disturbing reading, Porty.
Would this constitute abuse of his position?

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Post by Porty » 31 Aug 2010, 15:39

Deputation to the DSC is a privilege for our Councillors and one that I agree with. I hope that it is never abused and I imagine it would be very hard to prove.

Over the last few Years; Stephen Hawkins, has in my opinion, demonstrated some dubious behaviour when it comes to small developments in the conservation area. One day, when I’m not quite so busy, I intend to publishiing a complete audit trail of his actions and without opining, people can make up their own minds.

It started in 2006 with him acting as Agent for a new build house in a former builders’ yard in Marlborough Street. (the application was referred to as High Street)

He submitted drawings and supportive dialogue. The application was incompetent: he referred to the land as a garden and not a builder’s yard, a critical error, there was no parking, too large a building on a small space (over development) windows overlooking neighbours gardens etc. I imagine he did not discuss the application with planners prior to submission. All the more galling now that he clearly believes he is knowledgeable enough to attend DSC meetings to request an audience to challenge planners and architects.

His application didn’t even make it as far as the Development Sub-Committee before being refused. This in spite of his lengthy contextual statement, where he waxed lyrical about how great this new house would be, in the conservation area.

Around three years later, the land had changed ownership and another application, by a new agent, was submitted for a much smaller, one storey, property. By this time Stephen Hawkins was a Councillor. There wasn’t many objections (around 7) but he objected personally (Cairns, Hosking and Ward too). And then; he turned up at the DSC meeting and spoke up against the application: A new house would not be desireable in the conservation area and so on. As far as I know this was the first time any Portobello Councillor had ever made representation at a DSC meeting. He failed to mention his former involvement with the site.

Eventually, after a few months, the application was granted, unanimoulsy. A bit like Bellfield.

Link to Hawkins application.

http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/ ... X0OEWU1000
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Post by wangi » 31 Aug 2010, 15:51

For transparency - the above issue was reported to Standards Commission for Scotland in December 2009. On March 2010 they made a decision that Cllr Hawkins had not contravened the Councillors’ Code of Conduct. See: http://www.standardscommissionscotland. ... e_918.html

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Post by Porty » 31 Aug 2010, 16:28

Well some aspects of the issue were dealt with in the SC complaint but not all.

I was disappointed with the result in some ways. DSC meetings are not minuted verbatim, there is no detailed record of what is said. So it basically comes down to the Councillors word on what he claimed, versus the word of the witness. Unfortunately there was no other Portobello Councillor at the first meeting. At the second meeting I believe he was more circumspect, which I am fairly sure was down to our attempts to establish whether PCC had asked him to represent them, they had not.

I took notes and I know what he said and on whose behalf he claimed to be speaking. The Standards Commission, understandably,chose to believe his version.

I was particularly annoyed by the reference to Portobello Community Council, who made no objection to Hawkin's two- storey monstrosity but were all over ours. Same goes for Ward, Cairns and Hosking. From memory more than 50% of the objections were from the core of PCATS. Not the sort of people to rally round a planning issue, according to the Standards people!!!

None of that changes the fact that given his personal track record on planning applications, he is hardly best placed to be doling out advice to architects and planners.

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Post by seashell » 31 Aug 2010, 18:49

Porty wrote: It started in 2006 with him acting as Agent for a new build house in a former builders’ yard in Marlborough Street. (the application was referred to as High Street)

He submitted drawings and supportive dialogue. The application was incompetent: he referred to the land as a garden and not a builder’s yard, a critical error, there was no parking, too large a building on a small space (over development) windows overlooking neighbours gardens etc. I imagine he did not discuss the application with planners prior to submission. All the more galling now that he clearly believes he is knowledgeable enough to attend DSC meetings to request an audience to challenge planners and architects.

His application didn’t even make it as far as the Development Sub-Committee before being refused. This in spite of his lengthy contextual statement, where he waxed lyrical about how great this new house would be, in the conservation area.

Around three years later, the land had changed ownership and another application, by a new agent, was submitted for a much smaller, one storey, property. By this time Stephen Hawkins was a Councillor. There wasn’t many objections (around 7) but he objected personally (Cairns, Hosking and Ward too). And then; he turned up at the DSC meeting and spoke up against the application: A new house would not be desireable in the conservation area and so on. As far as I know this was the first time any Portobello Councillor had ever made representation at a DSC meeting. He failed to mention his former involvement with the site.

Eventually, after a few months, the application was granted, unanimoulsy. A bit like Bellfield.

Link to Hawkins application.

http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/ ... X0OEWU1000

Wait a minute - so he applied to build on a site and was turned down. And then several years later, when someone else applied to build on the same site he opposed it?
I've heard some stories but that takes the biscuit.
Was conflict of interest/prior involvement ever brought up? Or even sour grapes?

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Post by allaboardtheskylark » 01 Sep 2010, 13:21

Thanks for the clarification Wangi.

I am unaware, as many are of the Standards Regs. However, by my own standards, for possession of a brass neck, guilty.

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Post by seanie » 10 Sep 2010, 19:24

17 Bellfield Lane; granted on appeal.

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Post by seanie » 10 Sep 2010, 19:27

19 Bellfield Lane: granted on appeal.

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Post by Porty » 10 Sep 2010, 22:21

I'm delighted for the applicants, justice and common sense prevails..

Support for the planners and another kick in the nuts/female equivalent for the porty planning terrorists. Hopefully their day of influencing minor applications will soon be over.

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Post by seanie » 10 Sep 2010, 22:44

Well I'd hope it might give the Planning Committee cause to ponder.

The principle that such decisions are taken by democratically accountable representatives is very important, you don't just want to leave things to a bureaucratic assessment.

But at the same time decisions must be fair and in accordance with the relevant planning regulations. Decisions against recommendation should hopefully be an exception rather than the norm, and soundly based.

In both these last two cases, the reasons for refusal were weak.

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Post by Pal of Porty » 11 Sep 2010, 12:38

seanie wrote:Well I'd hope it might give the Planning Committee cause to ponder.

The principle that such decisions are taken by democratically accountable representatives is very important, you don't just want to leave things to a bureaucratic assessment.

But at the same time decisions must be fair and in accordance with the relevant planning regulations. Decisions against recommendation should hopefully be an exception rather than the norm, and soundly based.

In both these last two cases, the reasons for refusal were weak.
I agree Seanie. I am not normally a gambling man but I would have placed a sizeable wager on these two apps getting granted on appeal - as a layman the applications just seemed to make so much sense and the reasons for refusal did not really seem substantial enough.

In the case of our recent planning application, the Planning Committee ultimately granted us permission and one of the key reasons seemed to be that if they refused it again and it went to appeal - there was not really a justifiable objection that could be upheld.

Despite our application being a rather torturous experience, I have gained a much better understanding of the Planning process in its entirety and I have genuine respect for the way in which it works. The system insists on transparency and declaration of any conflicts of interest and puts forward recommendations to a cross representative Planning Committee to make the decision. A key part of this decision making process includes the opportunity for individuals or local bodies to object or support the application. Local Councillors also have the opportunity to make representations to the Planning Committee for applications in their ward.

It is a well thought through system, which like most other systems, works brilliantly when every component does their jobs properly. 8)
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Post by tom nimmo » 17 Sep 2010, 17:07

Can't remember the last time I offered anything to Talk Porty but I had heard that this thread was interesting. I knew nothing about the planning application but, on checking it out, I am delighted that it has been approved now. I tell friends, in jest I think, that there is a thriving "Portobello Says No" group who object to everything that could be mistaken for progress in Portobello but I am really surprised that anyone would object to the building of this house in this part of Portobello.

It's just a shame that it all became a bit of a character attack on Stephen. I know that there are two opposing groups in Portobello who seem to criticise each other at every opportunity and this forum seems to be a favourite counduit for it. I have known Stephen for around 18 years and I know that he is a man of integrity who gives far too much of his time as a councillor and, as I suspect he is well aware, he can't please all the people all the time. Would you want to be a councillor? I wouldn't. I admire the strength of feeling of the people who are prepared to debate the issues that concern Portobello but it saddens me when it becomes personal. Why does it have to be like that? I don't agree with everything everyone says but I can't think of anyone I know who I actually dislike just because they have a different opinion to me.
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Post by Porty » 17 Sep 2010, 17:13

I have been asked to put together a review of the recent decision of our Community Council to object to the Bellfield Lane application. I think the following extracts from the Minutes of August 31st of Portobello Community Council are particulary poignant. They relate to Open Space Strategy but the principle still applies.
269.10a Open space strategy response
Diana Cairns had been asked to write a response to the Open Space Strategy on behalf of the community council but this had been taken out of her hands by the Chair. (previous Chair RG)
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271.8a CEC Open Space Strategy

Last month it had been agreed for Diana to write a response to the CEC Open Space Strategy and circulate it around interested parties. However this proved to be contentious and agreement could not be reached so the Chair had taken it out of her hands. He thought that both the majority and minority opinions should be expressed in the letter. The final version had not been seen or agreed by all members. There was a lengthy discussion around how best to deal with this in the future, which included the possibility of voting, for which there was strong support, so that it is democratically decided, although it was acknowledged that previously things like planning applications were usually decided by consensus. It was also noted that people are entitled to their individual opinion but the PCC is there to represent the views of the community and should be able to justify the stance taken to the community. There was also concern that some people are more vocal than others and that it was important that all views are heard and people feel that they have been fairly represented. It was also felt that there is clearly a split in the community over some issues and that this has the potential to be difficult unless some way forward was found. It was noted that this issue would not easily be resolved and that it was something that the new PCC could determine how to proceed when they form the new community council
Can I ask our resident PCC members? In what way can the PCC's objection to the application be justified to the community?

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Re: 10/01741/FUL - Bellfield Lane planning application

Post by wangi » 13 Apr 2012, 13:12

Have been watching the building of the new house on Bellfield Lane start off recently. A wee article in Urban Realm:

http://www.urbanrealm.com/news/3469/Whe ... shape.html
Wheelchair friendly Edinburgh home takes shape

Ian McMillan, architect associate at BDP, has unveiled his designs for a unique disability friendly home for his family – drawn up in collaboration with his wife Thea who has taught architecture at Edinburgh University.

Squirrel Cottage in Edinburgh’s Portobello district, is costed at £250k and is being custom built to cater for their young daughter who uses a wheelchair.

This has necessitated designing barrier free spaces around a central ramp to allow Greta, who has been involved in the design of the home from the start, to participate in everyday family experiences.

Key to this has been the need to manage site levels whilst minimising the amount of dead space which would arise from the insertion of a ‘bolted on’ ramp.

To mitigate this McMillan has arranged spaces and events around a ‘Z’ shaped circulation space in order to create a ‘journey’ which both breaks down the ramp length and allows more useable space.

Describing the “monstrous” struggle with Edinburgh City Council to get planning permission for a 1 in 9 ramp McMillan told Urban Realm: “It’s totally non-compliant in terms of the technical standards, but speaking at an early design stage with Tom Lister of People Friendly Design, he encouraged us to design it as we and Greta would like to use it, as it is a private house as opposed to a public building.”

Nevertheless this has meant that the family has had to, reluctantly; make provisions for the installation of a lift.

Currently on site the project should be completed by November with McMillan providing regular site updates and progress reports via his blog.


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