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Post by Poppy » 21 Mar 2005, 20:10

Epykat wrote:Unfortunately I won't be able to make it but I sincerely wish you lots of luck and thanks for all the hard work you've put in. Fingers crossed....
I second that!

Thanks too, Hawkeye, for your 'sketches' of the days' proceedings - clear, informative .. AND entertaining where appropriate! =D>

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Post by Hawkeye » 21 Mar 2005, 20:27

Inquiry Walkabout

The reporter carried out her accompanied visit to the scottish Power site today followed by a walk along the High Street as far as Pittville street and back. Although she has visited the site and Portobello on many occasions, this was to back up the major points of our evidence and that of our expert witnesses.

Besides the reporter and three members of the community, the council’s solicitor and traffic expert were also present as were Bruce Hare and Robert Drysdale of Duddingston House properties. So, if anyone saw this motley crew of shifty looking characters examining plans, pointing to shops and choking on the traffic fumes then this is what we were doing.

As usual, the traffic took centre stage with a 3.00pm queue from Fishwives Causeway to Bath Street and the queue at Seafield roundabout tailing back almost as far as the dog and cat home at one point. The solicitor from the council suggested we’d got all our friends out to drive around - why would we bother when congestion is on our doorstep!

Tomorrow is the discussion of conditions and summing up starting at
10:00am. Then the long wait. For Duddingston it’s only money - for us it’s our community. Come and listen to a summary of the main issues.

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Post by Hawkeye » 22 Mar 2005, 20:18

Last day at the Inquiry

Well no one can doubt the interest in this public inquiry from the local community as it was standing room only at one point. The attendance levels have been magnificent since the inquiry started on the first day of March and it has been noted by all parties as well as the reporter.

It wasn’t the most scintillating of mornings with discussion starting off about conditions – a kind of phoney war seeing as our position all along is that we are totally opposed to the superstore regardless of any conditions. The unanimous feeling of the community was that we should put in our conditions for consideration. The two most contentious conditions were the council’s request for up to £500,000 to mitigate the effect of the store on Portobello Town Centre and the request from Baileyfield residents that any subsidence be rectified. These are now with the reporter for her consideration should she allow the appeals.

Closing statements were fairly quickly delivered firstly by Mr Young, then by Siobhan Samson for the community and then by Gordon Steele QC for the council. They gave a brief summary of the main planks of their arguments. However, Malcolm Thompson QC, for the developers, seemed to be introducing a great deal of case history and analysis of planning policies into his summary. This rendered many people in a trance and it totally failed to relate these policies to what is happening in reality which is that there are many supermarkets within easy travelling distance of Portobello and that the roads around Portobello town centre are already congested.

Whilst acknowledging the almost total local opposition to the superstore, Mr Thompson then entered dangerous waters by implying that the people of Portobello should get out of their cars and walk or cycle to the superstore. Mr Thompson is a honourable man, he wouldn’t have done this, nor try to bore us to submission with case law, if he hadn’t been clutching at straws and trying to cover up the paucity of practical arguments to support the superstore. (I’m talking practical arguments – not planning arguments; the two are not the same and that is why so many people have lost faith in the current planning system).

One bright note was that Siobhan Samson made the very unusual step of claiming £7,500 expenses for the community from the council because they failed to defend the retail reason for refusal (which still stands as it was never rescinded by committee). This was resisted by Gordon Steele, maybe because he feared it would come from his fee, with the curious argument that the council, by not defending retail, saved the inquiry money as it didn’t take up any time. This sounds like one of these false claims by supermarkets along the lines of ‘the more you spend, the more you save’. Whether the claim will succeed is not known but at least we sold three calendars at full price, two to the QCs and one to Robert Drysdale.

Everyone had agreed that the inquiry had been conducted in a fair, well-natured manner. Mr Young said it was one of the most pleasant experiences of his life and the reporter asked him what on earth he would find to do with himself now the inquiry is over! A far cry from the initial accusation that a police presence would be needed. This scene was undoubtedly set by the reporter herself in the way she conducted the inquiry.

We await the results though with no certainty that common sense will prevail over arcane policies detached from the particular circumstances of Portobello. This will probably be May/June – we’ll keep you posted.   

Lastly, thank you all for the overwhelming messages of support during the campaign and the inquiry. The PCATS committee is nothing without the full backing of the community.

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Post by Gemini » 23 Mar 2005, 15:26

City leaders told to pay the shop bill

ALAN MCEWEN


CAMPAIGNERS fighting against plans for a new supermarket in Portobello have demanded thousands of pounds in compensation from the city council.

The protesters claim they were forced to pay out £15,000 for their own retail impact study after being deserted by the council.

The effect on local shops was one reason councillors threw out the planning application for the 85,000sq ft store last year.

But council lawyers decided to ignore the issue at a public inquiry into the controversial proposals.

The move prompted campaigners to hire their own expert to assess the damage to small businesses after concluding it was vital to their case.

They bankrolled a study using part of the £23,000 raised locally to block the building of a new store at the former site of the ScottishPower HQ on the High Street.

Keith Hargest, a retail consultant with Hargest and Wallace, carried out a detailed analysis and concluded that traders would lose up to 20 per cent of their revenue if the supermarket went ahead.

Siobhan Samson, a planning officer with Friends of the Earth Scotland, told the final day of the inquiry yesterday that the protesters were entitled to expenses from the council as it had acted "unreasonably".

Ms Samson, who was representing the protestors for free, said the council was "duty-bound" to include the effect on retailers as it had been a key reason for the planning application’s rejection.

"Not to do so left the community in an unenviable position, and one that could only be addressed by them," she said.

"The community had no warning of this situation until the night of the pre-inquiry meeting [October 4, 2004] and therefore had very little time to decide whether they were capable of raising the revenue required."

Ms Samson said the campaigners would seek £7500, which was around 50 per cent of the bill.

But Gordon Steele QC, acting on behalf of the council, said: "There has been no evidence presented as to whether the council rescinded. They also knew of the council’s position for several months.

"Expenses can only relate to the percentage of time wasted by a party during the hearing. The claim is incompetent."

The protestors raised £23,000 to fund their campaign through a Burns Supper, jumble sales, a quiz, coffee morning and the sale of a calendar.

They also had to shell out around £10,000 for traffic consultant Andrew Carrie to appear before the inquiry.

Diana Cairns, of the Portobello Campaign Against the Supermarket, said: "The council had told us they had doubts about fighting it on retail grounds.

"Then at the pre-inquiry meeting in October they told us they would be withdrawing that argument entirely.

"If the reporter finds that the retail argument was a significant factor in her decision, I think we would have a strong argument that we should recoup some of the costs from the council."

The inquiry’s final day heard closing submissions from the developers, Edinburgh-based Duddingston House Properties, the city council and the protesters.

Malcolm Thomson QC, representing the developers, said that the impact on shops in the High Street was not a valid means to find against the supermarket plans.

A decision is expected in May.

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 23 Mar 2005, 19:22

Also from today's EN:
Pay the price

PUBLIC inquiries exist to ensure that all parties in a dispute are given an equal say. But some are given a more equal say than others through their ability to pay for professional witnesses and research.

So it is in Portobello, where the final submissions were heard yesterday over whether planning permission should be given the go-ahead for a new supermarket development. On one side of the fence sits a large section of the local community and small businesses who have claimed the presence of the new retailing giant will sound a death knell for an already struggling community centre.

In pushing their case they felt an impact study would best support their concerns. But although Edinburgh City Council had triggered the inquiry by rejecting the scheme on retail grounds, it was not prepared to fund such a study. Undaunted, protestors raised £15,000 to fund their own, which stood up their case.

They have now asked the reporter to order that half of the money they spent be refunded to them by the council should refusal be upheld.

It does not seem an unreasonable request. After all, legal aid is often made available in the civil and criminal courts to aid those who cannot pay fight for justice. Why not to the little man fighting his corner in his own community?
http://news.scotsman.com/archive.cfm?id=311432005

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Post by dccairns » 24 Mar 2005, 20:53

Did anyone see Frank Boyle's "Boyling Point" carton in today's Evening News? It continued the Miami, Portobello theme, with banners being displayed proclaiming "Gloria Estefan fans against the superstore" and "Cuban gangsters against the superstore". Now we really have got street cred!

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 24 Mar 2005, 21:07

Brilliant! Can someone scan and post it, or email/give it to me and I'll do the rest.

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Post by Brian McCrow » 24 Mar 2005, 23:52

It's brilliant that PCATS has put Portobello on the map.

They deserve all the recognition for the extremely hard work they've put into the campaign.

The trick is how to capitalise on this and maintain a high profile for Portobello

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Post by Gemini » 25 Mar 2005, 12:27

Press Release from the Green Party - another mention for Portobello
GREEN MSP MEDIA RELEASE
For immediate release 22nd March, 2005
SUPERMARKET BULLIES REMAIN UNCHECKED
- "toothless" government report leaves farmers and food chain exposed to exploitation
Green Lothians MSP Mark Ballard reacted with disappointment today as the long awaited Office of Fair Trading's (OFT) investigation into supermarket behaviour concluded in a report with no recommended action. In effect the report suggests an extension to submissions for views to the end of May, further setting back action which was originally expected at the end of last year.(1)
Mr Ballard claims that the OFT's failure to control supermarkets is a missed opportunity to rein in companies that exploit farmers and suppliers. It follows a report last year that found that up to 85% suppliers thought the code was ineffective in changing supermarket behaviour, and that fear of being de-listed or other reprisals by supermarkets was the main obstacle preventing suppliers from making complaints. (2)
Mr Ballard said, "No conclusion is better than a bad conclusion, but the non-report published today is a huge disappointment for communities and farmers up and down the country. The stranglehold that supermarkets hold over farmers and suppliers and the unfair squeeze on small businesses and local communities will continue. I have seen in Portobello in Edinburgh how vehement opposition to new supermarkets is, and am completely support campaigns that support local shops and businesses.
"I am very concerned at the observations in the report which simply that it is up to farmers and primary suppliers to use the code, otherwise it is difficult to assess how it is, or is not, working. This is ridiculous when everyone knows that to use the code as it stands carries a direct threat of being de-listed by a supermarket, under no written contract which is the norm.
"This is a pathetic show by the OFT. Action is needed urgently, yet today government simply declared more delay and allowed this monopoly over the food chain to grip even tighter - and farmers, local shops and communities will suffer in the meantime.
"Supermarkets are out of control and are damaging our agriculture and food systems - that is why Greens are asking other MSPs to support me in urging the Executive to do all it can to stand up for Scotland's food producers.(3) "There have been several reports in the press that supermarkets pressurised the OFT to not come down too hard on them. Judging by this toothless report, their bullying tactics seemed to have worked here too."
Not one complaint against a supermarket has been made under the voluntary code of conduct since its inception in 2002. In particular, dairy farmers in Scotland face tremendous difficulties - not least being paid below the price of production for milk and 700 dairy farms have gone out of business in Scotland over the last five years.
Greens have been highlighting the need to curb supermarket power as part of their Food Revolution campaign. The increasing scale and number of supermarket developments is destroying local businesses, jobs, and green spaces, and leading to the deterioration of varied and vibrant shopping areas.(4)

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Post by Gemini » 25 Mar 2005, 12:33

Quote Hawkeye>>>Whether the claim will succeed is not known but at least we sold three calendars at full price, two to the QCs and one to Robert Drysdale<<

Meant to ask u about this Gov.. What was your sales pitch?

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Post by Hawkeye » 25 Mar 2005, 18:16

With regard to Gemini's enquiry about the sales pitch, it was simple, I asked Gordon Steele to buy one as he'd opposed Siobhan's claim for expenses. He stumped up the cash for Malcolm Thompson's (mi learned friend) as well. Robert Drysdale asked to buy one but didn't have the cash so I let him have one with the promise of a cheque in the post. This duly arrived the next day for £20 with a wee note explaining that 'every little helps.' to coin a phrase.

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Post by Gemini » 25 Mar 2005, 22:43

Nice one Guv. 8)

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Post by Gemini » 30 Mar 2005, 11:34

The following is of interest to POL's supporting PCATS


Would you please write to MSPs asking them to sign up to the following motion put forward by Mark Ballard MSP.

The MSPs are: Chris Ballance, Robert Brown, Fiona Hyslop, Rosie Kane, Kenny MacAskill, John Swinburne, Rosemary Byrne, Frances Curran, Rob Gibson, Robin Harper, Patrick Harvie, Eleanor Scott, Elaine Smith, Christine Grahame, Adam Ingram, Mark Ruskell, Tommy Sheridan. The format of the e-mail addresses is:

mark.ballard.msp@scottish.parliament.uk


[quote]S2M-2572 # Mark Ballard:Supermarkets Causing the Demise of Family Grocer Businessesâ€â€

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Post by dccairns » 30 Mar 2005, 18:22

Just an update to the above.

I have found out that the MSPs listed have signed the motion. The people to target are: Colin Fox, James Douglas-Hamilton and Margo MacDonald for their support as well as Susan Deacon as the constituency member.

Thanks and sorry for any confusion.

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Thanks Hawkeye

Post by jimann » 04 Apr 2005, 18:43

Although not able to attend the inquiry we followed the daily updates by "Hawkeye" with, at first, bated breath, then consequently, with more and more enjoyment and understanding with his "version" of events.
Can I say that that his mention of "Mr Baker could bore for Scotland" made us relax towards the ongoing saga, and the writing has helped us understand some of the issues discussed.

My wife's intrigued, "Hawkeye" seems to know his/her stuff - glad he/she's on our side!!

Thanks again!
My GOD, it's full of stars!

Hawkeye

Post by Hawkeye » 05 Apr 2005, 22:39

It is good to be appreciated and I thank Jimann and everyone else for the kind words and support through the campaign and inquiry. Although there isn't much to do at the moment on this campaign, there are several other ways to support campaigns against the continuing expansion of superstores and indeed, other planning issues affecting Portobello and Edinburgh.

Obviously, we await the reporter's decision and, following this, future proposals for the site. Who's up for a hotel offering conference facilities, some affordable homes and some high class office suites? How about a film studio - a joint venture between Sir Sean and Sir Tom. Stuff Portobello becoming the next Miami, Hollywood is what we should aim for!

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Post by dccairns » 10 May 2005, 20:18

We have heard from Friends of the Earth that a decision on the superstore is expected from the Scotttish Inqury Reporters' Unit by the end of May.

Keep everything crossed...

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Post by dccairns » 17 May 2005, 21:12

Interesting article by George Monbiot in today’s Guardian. Tesco are already in a monopolistic position in the grocery market but now they want to muscle in on the distribution market for newspapers and magazines. This will have many damaging effects, for example, it will put minority interest magazines out of business, it will harm independent newsagents but most sinister of all, it will be like Murdoch having control of the press or Berlusconi having control of TV channels because they will be able to dictate the content of newspapers and magazines. As Monbiot says, it’s hard to envisage Tesco carrying newspapers with critical articles about Tesco in them. If you think this sounds far-fetched, Wal-Mart has already dictated changes to magazine covers in the US. Here is the link to the article:
www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1485453,00.html

Monbiot is urging people to write in to the OFT about this. The e-mail address is: enquiries@oft.gov.uk

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Post by Porty » 18 May 2005, 11:04

I would say the Tesco market position is Oligopolistic rather than Monopolistic. However, its still pretty worrying.

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Post by dccairns » 18 May 2005, 15:04

You are correct on both counts (such smarty!).

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Post by dccairns » 26 May 2005, 11:52

I am overjoyed to say that we have just heard the developer's appeal was dismissed by the Reporter. We won the public inquiry!!!

Listen out for the sound of champagne corks popping.

Thanks to everyone who supported the campaign - what a community triumph! Look out for details of a victory celebration.

I am so excited I am even going to use an emoticon!javascript:emoticon(':D')

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Post by wangi » 26 May 2005, 12:15

Nice one! The decision letter will be available from:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/planning/sei ... PA/230/631

in a few days.

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Post by Pal of Porty » 26 May 2005, 12:22

What a triumph for the community and particularly those involved in fighting the campaign. Well done to all concerned. :sunny:
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Post by Porty » 26 May 2005, 12:22

Congratulations to all involved with the campaign. Tesco think that "every little helps" and PCATS proved it.

Personally, Im looking forwrad to spending all the money I no longer have to give to the campaign, in my local shops. I'm just hoping dc and hawkeye don't move house to pastures new to take up the cudgel. :D

We just had Grahem Kitchener on the phone very excited!!

Well done again.

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Post by Brian McCrow » 26 May 2005, 12:31

This is a triumph for PCATS and all those who worked so hard to achieve this tremendous result.

A victory for local democracy.

Well done. Enjoy that drink.

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Post by Maria » 26 May 2005, 13:23

Just heard the good news. Well done PCATS. This is a really fantastic result. :wav:
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Post by maggle » 26 May 2005, 14:08

Well done everyone - from all at Portobello Community Centre
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When is the Street Party?

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Post by dccairns » 26 May 2005, 14:14

Thanks everyone for your kind messages. Will let you know about the celebration party.

Porty, we are not moving, how would we keep an eye on you if we did? Enjoy spending your money!

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Post by Gemini » 26 May 2005, 14:19

Brian McCrow wrote:This is a triumph for PCATS and all those who worked so hard to achieve this tremendous result.

A victory for local democracy.

Well done. Enjoy that drink.
Don't be modest Brian, you were also involved with PCATS
Thank you too!

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Post by cornerboy » 26 May 2005, 14:29

Fantastic news. Many, many thanks to the folks who were at the very heart of this campaign, but also to everyone in Porty who played a part. There's no doubt the developers will be back. Let's hope we can keep 'em out for good.

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Post by Poppy » 26 May 2005, 14:29

And here it is in the EN - so it must be true!!!

Portobello supermarket shelved

Well done everybody! :D

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Post by karen » 26 May 2005, 15:47

It just shows that communities who care can influence policy for their and the future generations' benefit. Absolutely fantastic! Imagine what it would have been like if the Scottish Executive manage to implement the proposed restricions in the Third Party Rights of Appeal. We wouldn't have been given the right to challenge the initial decision. Whilst the developers themselves called the Public Inquiry, not us, the local community, how would we have been able to represent our views?

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Post by DG » 26 May 2005, 16:03

GG just bumped into Epykat who told him the good news :D !

Well done to all those involved :salute: . Your prolonged hard work and efforts have paid off. What a victory for what a community wants and does not want.

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Post by dccairns » 26 May 2005, 16:06

For anyone who would like to get their face in the papers, there will be a photo shoot for the Evening News outside Kitcheners Deli at 4.30 pm. Come on now, don't be shy!

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