dogs and environmental wardens (merged)

sample808 · Post by **sample808** » 18 Jun 2006, 17:06

since the introduction of environmental wardens i have yet to see any impact on the amount of dog mess on the beach and prom.

i, perhaps naively, thought that they would have an effect and that this would solve the problem of tarring all dog owners with the same brush etc.

what i think would be great would be to get doggie bins and a roll of bags at each second or third lampost so that anyone can take responsibilty for clearing up (and dog owners would have no excuses about not having a bag with them), but most of all i would like to see hefty fines handed out to the irresponsible idiots who like keeping dogs but take no responsibilty for them.

i have taken a pledge to video anyone i see not clearing up after their dog and forcing the council to fine these people, sad eh?

bearcub · Post by **bearcub** » 18 Jun 2006, 17:37

I'd like to have seen some evidence that the wardens do actually patrol the Prom/Porty at some stage, I've never yet seen any.

As a dog-walker myself, I wish they were more visible and had done some good in stopping preventing people not cleaning up after their dogs - give all us responsible dog-owners a bad name.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 18 Jun 2006, 19:03

Maybe all dogs should be DNA-registered, meaning that concerned citizens can collect small samples of poop to be handed in for analysis, identification and subsequent penalties.

Can you accurately identify an individual dog from the genetic makeup of its tolies?

Un-scooped doggy-doo is a serious business, especially in summer when you can get a right whiff of woopsie.

Libby · Post by **Libby** » 19 Jun 2006, 09:51

Has any one seen the add on the TV where the man knocks on the Residents door and leaves a pile of DOG ??? on his Door step.

It is not just at the Beach where it happens, i live next to the Playing fields in Bingham and i sometimes cross the field to get the Number 44 bus, i have now taken to carrying some Bacterial wipes in my bag because as sure as hell by the time i get to Duddingston Rise my trainers are all covered in You know What.

This park is playing fields but you have No idea the amount of people who let there dogs on to this field, i have even saw this woman who is a professional Dog watcher take 7 dogs out of her people carrier let them loose, leave there mess, she then loads up the car without removing the mess, when i questioned her about it i am told "mind your own Business".

Well i did mind my own business, i stood there and laughed when the Environmental officers came to watch her doing this, she made the mistake of taking the dogs there at the same time, on the same days.

Hope she paid her on the spot fine.

Libby

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 19 Jun 2006, 14:38

Was Spot one of the guilty ones?

sample808 · Post by **sample808** » 20 Jun 2006, 16:56

to be honest bearcub, i haven't seen any down here either, only on the high street and have certainly not seen them handing out any fines. i wonder if they have actually generated any cash or if they are costing us...

i hope she paid several on the spot fines libby but somehow i doubt it

sample808 · Post by **sample808** » 21 Jun 2006, 14:18

Environmental wardens

have requested that they bring their mobile cctv camera down one day and maybe a night too...

Edited by Poppy on 19 July 2007 to reduce width of page!

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 18 Jul 2007, 23:37

Having spent quite a bit of time on the beach over the past couple of weeks making sandcastles I have noticed that no matter where we settle there is always a dog poo within spitting distance. Is it just me or does anyone else find this totally unacceptable.

Don't get me wrong I'm not anti-dog I have always had a dog up till his passing a couple of years ago and I always scooped the poops.

I do however think that dogs should be kept off certain sections of the beach in the summer.

The other thing that really annoys me is that some dog owners, especially big alsatian owners, let the dog jump over the wall onto the beach right into where somebody like me and toddler are playing. God, some people are clueless.

Where are the Environmental Wardens when you need one?

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 19 Jul 2007, 08:39

Puerto bella wrote: God, some people are clueless.

You could try moving further down the beach, away from the wall. That might help avoid large dogs landing on your head.

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 19 Jul 2007, 18:05

Believe me we were by no means right next to the wall, it was a big big dog. Anyhow part of me thinks why should we, its the dog owner's responsibility to act appropriately and in this case she wasn't.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 19 Jul 2007, 18:11

I don't think people should be spitting on the beach either.

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 19 Jul 2007, 18:16

I agree......No spitting, swearing or knoodling................hang on we're Porty not Morningside?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 19 Jul 2007, 18:36

Puerto bella wrote:I agree......No spitting, swearing or knoodling................hang on we're Porty not Morningside?

Are you saying that the inhabitants of Morningside never have dogs land on their heads?

They've never lived.

bearcub · Post by **bearcub** » 19 Jul 2007, 21:36

Edit - topic has been merged with previous Dogs/beach thread

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 19 Jul 2007, 22:46

It could be a whole new sport - 'noggin dog dodge'. With me Pb and sprog as the official founders and experts, I might add.

Thank god we have a fish now, despite the fact that we love them, dogs seem a whole load of hassle when you haven't had one in a few years.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 21 Jul 2007, 20:22

Puerto bella wrote:. Thank god we have a fish now, despite the fact that we love them, dogs seem a whole load of hassle when you haven't had one in a few years.

It's not the dogs that are the hassle it's the people who constantly complain about them whether they're being badly behaved or not. When we had the dog it sometimes felt that the only time we got peace to take her out without people tutting or watching our/her every move was if we went out in the middle of the night

. I pay my taxes. Why shouldn't I be allowed to walk my dog anywhere I like as long as I clean up after her? I have to endure other people's children everywhereI go. There are no child free zones anywhere. It doesn't matter what time of the day I go shopping or to a museum or a cafe there are always screaming children doing my head in.

Edited to avoid upsetting PB

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 21 Jul 2007, 21:44

Why is it round these parts you get labelled a dog person or someone with kids? There are folk that are both and why should it be so polar?

My original point was to do with bad behaviour and responsibility - essentially the person was letting the dog run like a mad thing last week, jumping over the wall into people on a busy beach. If it had been someone letting their kid do the same I'd be just as miffed.

My old dog was a nightmare on a crowded beach so as you say we'd be choosy about when we went down onto the beach. We'd stay on the Prom or go down to Newhails or somewhere similar instead when the beach was busy. It was for our own sanity as well as his.

On the kids front - you won't find any in the Bingo on Bath Street, either that or you could join the Masons or a Bowling Club - they don't let kids in.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 21 Jul 2007, 22:06

Puerto bella wrote:Why is it round these parts you get labelled a dog person or someone with kids? There are folk that are both

And I'm one of them!

Puerto bella wrote:On the kids front - you won't find any in the Bingo on Bath Street, either that or you could join the Masons or a Bowling Club - they don't let kids in.

. Fine if I liked the Bingo, the Masons or Bowling! How about having a child free shopping centre? Or a child unfriendly cafe?

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 22 Jul 2007, 16:16

There are plenty of child unfriendly cafes and restaurants - you are not looking hard enough. There's the Dragon Way for starters probably the most unfriendly toddler place in the world, its certainly top of our list.

Poppy · Post by **Poppy** » 22 Jul 2007, 16:19

Tsk! Way off topic now!!

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 22 Jul 2007, 23:03

OK
ongoing problem with dogs, their mess and irresponsible owners
My eldest is now 22

I had my 1st fight with dog owner when she was 1

Kids from Porty learn to walk looking at their feet to avoid the dog mess

( mind you foxes cold be to blame for some of that, but not all)

I have looked after a dog and my kids learnt to clean up after it, and keep it on lead if needed

What PB is referring to is the type of dog I've seen roaming, seemingly unrestrained by owners, peeing on Volley- ball nets, folks backpacks laid on sand; pouncing on kids, biting kites, allowed to roam in the kiddies playpark, pooping , peeing and chewing all in its way
It happens. I've seen it

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 22 Jul 2007, 23:28

When I had a dog I always thought it was the visitors bringing their dogs to the beach that were the problem, it seemed to be that way back then. The Porty dogs and owners seemed to know the rules and generally went about their business without causing hassle. However, the problem last week wasn't a visitor. Maybe things have changed.

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 22 Jul 2007, 23:41

Sad to say the dog I was referring to wasn't a visitor either ( the peeing on volleyball etc ) but one I've seen around before.
A rather large, black dog?

There are some locals that view any green space as a toilet for their animals and they dont seem to think they should bother about cleaning up
OR they think as they get refuse from visitors it then valid that their animal fouls the area ( dont get me started on the argument I had with that owner

)

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 22 Jul 2007, 23:49

Last week's one was a huge alsatian, I presume a dog, not a bitch, from the size of it. The owner was on another planet and proceeded to throw the dog's ball for it to chase on the busiest section of the beach at Bath Street resulting in mayhem. Hopefully Epykat won't start 'Shouting' at me again for this post! (Moderators: Thought we weren't to use caps anyhow?)

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 23 Jul 2007, 00:14

Sounds like the dog I may be thinking of. Big , dark, bit I cant tell type, owner oblivious.
I can see from my 1st floor what the owners miss/cant be bothered about

Dont take it personally
There are many dog owners / parents hereabouts.
Most are very responsible and train their kids to be, BUT, as always there are a select few who make it hard for the rest of us.

I've been on both sides (ie dog owner and sufferer from)
I've been on the beach when dog owners have been uncaring as to their animals actions, peeing on a child's clothes the worst ; to my making sure on a cold,grey, sleeting day that the animal we were caring for, was picked up after
As to the Bingo, I think they are people unfriendly let alone child infiendly, ever tried walking down Bath St when they come out .......aaaaargh.
Hint dont get between them and their bus ( parked in the bus stop, like it going anywhere)

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 23 Jul 2007, 22:39

I love it when a dog big enough to eat your children comes racing towards you and the owner is shouting something like "Don't worry he is friendly, he won't harm you" as the dog then proceeds to knock one of your children to the ground.

Me - I would shoot the owner.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 24 Jul 2007, 22:41

Puerto bella wrote:Hopefully Epykat won't start 'Shouting' at me again for this post! (Moderators: Thought we weren't to use caps anyhow?)

I wasn't shouting. I was sitting quite calmly at my computer trying to put my point across. I am no longer a dog owner because unfortunately my dog died. However we did have her for 14 years and in that time, although she never jumped on anybody, fouled anywhere she shouldn't or stole a small child's ball, we were regularly tutted at, glared at, or, on occasions, verbally abused. If I were to go up to the parent of a screaming toddler in a cafe and do that I'd probably be arrested. That was my point.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:04

Was it natural causes?

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:06

It was the use of capital letters in the 'everywhere' part of your post(commonly denoting shouting) that I was referring to. (It didn't offend me Editor, its just a bit bad patter, that's all)

Please don't feel you have to justify your views to me - I respect your opinion which you are entitled to I just don't agree with some of the points you were making or the overly defensive standpoint you were taking. That's what makes this forum interesting after all.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:09

If dogs could read this thread I'm sure that starting from tomorrow they would make life as difficult as possible for the human population of Porty. Maybe they can read? let's see how they behave tomorrow.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:10

Porty wrote:Was it natural causes?

It was old age, a stroke and the Vet's needle - not being hit on the head by an irate member of the public, if that's what you mean

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:13

Puerto bella wrote: (It didn't offend me Editor, its just a bit bad patter, that's all).

I do apologise for my patter. I've been told it sometimes stinks

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:19

Epykat wrote:
Porty wrote:Was it natural causes?
It was old age, a stroke and the Vet's needle - not being hit on the head by an irate member of the public, if that's what you mean

I just wondered, stranger things have happened.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:21

Porty wrote:
Epykat wrote:
Porty wrote:Was it natural causes?
It was old age, a stroke and the Vet's needle - not being hit on the head by an irate member of the public, if that's what you mean
I just wondered, stranger things have happened.

In your life they do! At least she didn't commit suicide

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:36

No worries, EP. I did enjoy the banter, its all in good taste.

We keep thinking is it about time we should get another dog? Mr PB was very much against it for a long long time after our old pal popped it. He couldn't even go near the beach without welling up. Now that mini PB is really starting to enjoy friend's dogs I am working on Mr PB with a view to getting another. I am drawn along to the cat and dog home now and again but haven't ventured in yet. Some day I hope to have another. Hope it will be less naughty than the previous - he was an old devil in the ice cream and chip nicking department, a trick he v. quickly learnt after moving here.

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