48 hours to resign ... or be fired!

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 23 Jan 2006, 11:57

I have been given 48 hours to resign as a Moderator, or be sacked.

I was already on a final warning, and the Admin team have decided my fate, which I have been told is not open to discussion.

Since this mail was sent at about 10pm last night, but I didn't read the mail until about 12, when exactly does the 48 hours start?

I'm not going to resign, so would like to know exactly how many hours I have left as a mod before the axe falls.

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 23 Jan 2006, 12:20

Dadaist wrote:......I'm not going to resign......

And neither you should.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 23 Jan 2006, 12:29

Pal of Porty wrote:
Dadaist wrote:......I'm not going to resign......
And neither you should.

Thanks PoP. I've been looking online for some sort of countdown clock which you can program - but haven't found one yet.

I need to know exactly what time my life as a POL Moderator is set to run out - current estimate is tomorrow at 10pm.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 23 Jan 2006, 12:36

I'm not too familiar with how these things work but there are only two possibilities. Either the 48 hours begins when the PM/Email was sent so that gives you until 10pm on Tuesday the 23rd of January 2006 or it begins from when you read the message so that gives you until Midnight on Tuesday the 23rd of January 2006. I think the latter is definetly the fairer.

Personally, I don't think you deserved sacking, this time around (you know my views on the last time). You were given a chance to reform and I believe you showed great improvement since the infamous torture debate. I don't see any serious transgression by you on the SWS thread. I cannot speak for anyone else involved in that particular discussion but I will be staggered if any of them felt you should be sacked.

The Admin team have done their usual "not open for discussion" which I always find gobsmacking on a discussion board butthat doesn't prevent us discussing it.

I would like to know if you were warned during the SWS thread and asked to modify your tone/content/views?

Presumably your crimes were detailed, what were they?

What will you be having for your last supper?

I think you have been at your most productive and inspired since you were made a mod. Your love for this place is obvious, long may your participation continue. Its a pity the complainers don't have the balls to make themselves know to the masses.

In my view you should take a sacking rather than resign. And as you are fond of saying "its only the internets".

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 23 Jan 2006, 12:46

Porty wrote: I would like to know if you were warned during the SWS thread and asked to modify your tone/content/views?

No. The sacking was the first communication from the Admin Troika.

edit - fixed quote marks

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 23 Jan 2006, 12:50

Presumably your crimes were detailed, what were they?

Crime :

We are not prepared to enter a point by point dissection of the â€˜Spare Wheel Stolenâ€™ thread but we have discussed the matter at length and are unanimous in the view that you are, once more, in contravention of posting guidelines and that your treatment of Franck was indeed â€˜personal and offensiveâ€™ to quote Granty.

Anonymous complaint received by the mods:

â€œTonight, I had cause to read the posting guidelines. Why? Because I am increasingly concerned about the bullying tone, general dominance of some threads and offensive comments made by Dadaist. I would be grateful if this matter could be raised at the next Moderators meeting. POL is enjoyed by many who are not part of the 'inner circle' or who prefer to 'lurk'. Public responses such as some of the comments made, do not encourage people to come any further into the fold, if at all. We've got something special, let's not spoil it.â€

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 23 Jan 2006, 12:52

Until the hour of judgement (and starting when I get home tonight) Radio Free Porty will be playing a selection of funereal music.

Post by **wangi** » 23 Jan 2006, 12:54

Porty wrote:What will you be having for your last supper?

Haggis would seem to be...

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 23 Jan 2006, 13:01

Porty wrote: Either the 48 hours begins when the PM/Email was sent so that gives you until 10pm on Tuesday the 23rd of January 2006 or it begins from when you read the message so that gives you until Midnight on Tuesday the 23rd of January 2006. I think the latter is definetly the fairer.

I'm not staying up until Midnight just to ceremoniously remove Dadaist's mod privileges.

The Admin team have done their usual "not open for discussion" which I always find gobsmacking on a discussion board butthat doesn't prevent us discussing it.

We also stated in our email to Dadaist that we would post an explanation of our decision on the Forum if he didn't wish to resign. You will probably find this more enlightening than selective edited highlights.

Its a pity the complainers don't have the balls to make themselves know to the masses.

If you re-read some recent postings you'll find some have. Others have every right to privacy. Perhaps I should stress that the complaints came from registered users who do post.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 23 Jan 2006, 13:18

Marya wrote: We also stated in our email to Dadaist that we would post an explanation of our decision on the Forum if he didn't wish to resign. You will probably find this more enlightening than selective edited highlights.

Marya, I only edited your email to provide the bits pertinent to Porty's questions.

Here's the text in full :

Matthew

It is the view of the Portobello Online management team that your position as moderator has, again, become untenable. We are not prepared to enter a point by point dissection of the â€˜Spare Wheel Stolenâ€™ thread but we have discussed the matter at length and are unanimous in the view that you are, once more, in contravention of posting guidelines and that your treatment of Franck was indeed â€˜personal and offensiveâ€™ to quote Granty.

The following complaint was received from a forum member who wishes to remain anonymous:

â€œTonight, I had cause to read the posting guidelines. Why? Because I am increasingly concerned about the bullying tone, general dominance of some threads and offensive comments made by Dadaist. I would be grateful if this matter could be raised at the next Moderators meeting. POL is enjoyed by many who are not part of the 'inner circle' or who prefer to 'lurk'. Public responses such as some of the comments made, do not encourage people to come any further into the fold, if at all. We've got something special, let's not spoil it.â€

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 23 Jan 2006, 13:46

Marya wrote: Perhaps I should stress that the complaints came from registered users who do post.

Did you share these complaints with Dada (ID witheld) to allow the guy to modify his supposed breaches?

rathbone · Post by **rathbone** » 23 Jan 2006, 15:13

Isn't this all a bit over the top?

While I agree that Moderators have a certain responsibility, it's not as if people didn't know what Dada was like before he was appointed a Moderator.

I, for one, didn't find the full explanation "more enlightening than selective edited highlights". What was abusive about correcting Chilli Pepper's grammar? I found that innocuous. Not being party to the other complaints I can only surmise that people took umbrage at the tone and content of some of the postings. That says more about them than it does of Dada.

There is nothing wrong with robust debate and Dada is often the person who instigates and sustains that. I frequently do not agree with him and I'm frequently made uncomfortable by some of the stances he takes, but I hope that I'm a big enough boy to take that in my stride. To quote The Gadgee, it's one of the things that keep me coming back.

As Porty has said: "Dada with his usual, and some would say admirable, non-violent stance, has put forward his point of view and only just dipped into rancour. Frank, a person of equal conviction, has defended his position admirably and the debate has been of an excellent standard. For me the various arguments have only served to illustrate what a wonderfully diverse place Portobello is."

Anybody who dips into this Forum regularly knows what Dada's like, and anyone with the slightest sense of humour presumably smiles and makes allowance. (Or am I now being offensive to anyone who doesn't have a sense of humour?)

Finally, to pick up Porty's point on natural justice, what opportunity was afforded Dada to see all the complaints made against him and to respond to those before summary justice was delivered?

Jackson Priest · Post by **Jackson Priest** » 23 Jan 2006, 15:44

Rathbone, you've just taken the words right out of my mouth, godammit!

I also wondered if it was coincidental that this over-the-topness has happened so soon after the postings from Tigger Rules, and the ensuing soul searching.

btw Dadaist, itâ€™s much better to be sacked. If you resign, it might affect your right to benefits.

Keep on keepinâ€™ on Mister.

JP.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 23 Jan 2006, 16:17

Thanks JP and Rathbone.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 23 Jan 2006, 16:19

wangi wrote:
Porty wrote:What will you be having for your last supper?
Haggis would seem to be...

We can't. He may try his infamous "taking ages to bring the haggis in" routine in an attempt to prolong his moderatorship.

Post by **wangi** » 23 Jan 2006, 16:29

Indeed, that was what I was thinking

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 23 Jan 2006, 16:29

check out my custom countdown

it's the "countdown to dada sacked countdown" in the style of interactive online internet!!!!!

Franck · Post by **Franck** » 23 Jan 2006, 16:53

Can I just say that I did not ask for any action to be taken against Dadaist, my own opinions of his debating/people skills might not be too positive(formed mostly during that thread), but I can fight my own battles...but you know that already

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 23 Jan 2006, 16:55

Franck wrote:Can I just say that I did not ask for any action to be taken against Dadaist, my own opinions of his debating/people skills might not be too positive(formed mostly during that thread), but I can fight my own battles...but you know that already

Too late. They told me 48 hours but defrocked me with 32 still to go.

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 23 Jan 2006, 19:54

Resign or be fired - Looks like that debate has ended!!!!!!!!!!!

Robin! · Post by **Robin!** » 23 Jan 2006, 20:04

cheerio!

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 23 Jan 2006, 21:28

Dadaist wrote:Too late. They told me 48 hours but defrocked me with 32 still to go.

Goddammit, you can't trust anyone these days. What a fickle bunch.

To think that a mere 5 months ago the Mods were proud to announce their unanimous decision to appoint Dada as one of their own.

As Rathbone pointed out earlier in his succinct and pertinent post , what did they expect?

teddygirl · Post by **teddygirl** » 23 Jan 2006, 22:24

It's sad that it has come to this. I just hope that Dadaist continues to post as the forum will be a lot less colourful without him and this comes from someone who has in the past had differences with him. I think we both managed to agree to disagree and have long since moved on from then.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 23 Jan 2006, 23:18

I'd definitely wait to be sacked Dada! Much more exciting story to tell Emily's children

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 25 Jan 2006, 10:37

Robin! wrote:cheerio!

Whoah there cowboy. Incidentally, what's wrong with edinburghbanter.co.uk?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 25 Jan 2006, 10:41

What's it like back on the other side?

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 25 Jan 2006, 10:44

Porty wrote:What's it like back on the other side?

Absolutely wonderful. I thoroughly recommend being defrocked as part of life experience.

Sandra · Post by **Sandra** » 26 Jan 2006, 12:30

Dadaist, good to see you are still in good humour

Please keep posting otherwise we'd all miss you

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 26 Jan 2006, 12:33

Sandra wrote:Dadaist, good to see you are still in good humour

Please keep posting otherwise we'd all miss you

Did we say Â£5 per nice comment? I can pay you in "La Vie En Rose" vouchers if you want.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 26 Jan 2006, 13:56

To whom it may concern - an open reply to my complainant

[quote]â€œTonight, I had cause to read the posting guidelines. Why? Because I am increasingly concerned about the bullying tone, general dominance of some threads and offensive comments made by Dadaist. I would be grateful if this matter could be raised at the next Moderators meeting. POL is enjoyed by many who are not part of the 'inner circle' or who prefer to 'lurk'. Public responses such as some of the comments made, do not encourage people to come any further into the fold, if at all. We've got something special, let's not spoil it.â€

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 26 Jan 2006, 14:14

we would post an explanation of our decision on the Forum if he didn't wish to resign. You will probably find this more enlightening than selective edited highlights.

Is it in invisible ink or what?

dccairns · Post by **dccairns** » 26 Jan 2006, 14:40

What happened to the "Afore ye go" thread? It seems to have disappeared without explanation. Have I missed something?

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 26 Jan 2006, 14:44

dccairns wrote:What happened to the "Afore ye go" thread? It seems to have disappeared without explanation. Have I missed something?

Marya moved it to the "pending" forum. If I wrote on here what it was she wasn't happy with, I would presumably be breaking a rule and would also run the risk of this thread being deleted too!

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 26 Jan 2006, 16:14

Dadaist wrote:
dccairns wrote:What happened to the "Afore ye go" thread? It seems to have disappeared without explanation. Have I missed something?
Marya moved it to the "pending" forum. If I wrote on here what it was she wasn't happy with, I would presumably be breaking a rule and would also run the risk of this thread being deleted too!

Pending what?

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 26 Jan 2006, 16:19

i think it goes under the microscope so they can see if i revealed Moi's identity as a microdot hidden in the dot of one of the "i"s

the pending forum is so that entire threads can be moved out, have the offending bits circumcised and the newly unoffending thread moved back into the forum, thus ensuring rule compatibility whilst simultaneously avoiding excessive excision

it takes a while for the Troika to get together so this is somewhere for it to be held in the interim - so they get breathing space while they discuss what to cut

so once they have cogitated on this one, it may be moved back.

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