New Portobello High School- Where and how?

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Post by seanie » 05 May 2006, 23:12

Alison Connelly wrote: The PHS study, produced by consultants Atkins, in 2003 gives little detail of the current building condition. It focuses on offering 2 options to provide a low rise school which could meet current standards, on the existing site (one of the options includes an all weather pitch). No doubt they have taken into account site size, current standards and so on in preparing their report. I accept that this route presents decant issues, and that sporting facilities would not all be provided on site, but these are issues which could be considered, and possible overcome, if there was a will to do so. So let the council at least offer that scrutiny and not dismiss it out of hand.
I have said, repeatedly, right from the start, that it was possible to rebuild on site. And you could do so meeting minimum statutory standards.

But building to the minimum statutory standards means you’ll be building to crap standards.

When I’m working on a school design I don’t dig out the ’67 Schools and Premises Act and work to it. I work to a brief shaped by a wide group of professional and client views on what’s currently required, not what politicians deemed the absolute minimum necessary 40 years ago. I use it as a reference but no more.

In the same way I use BB82 as a reference but not as a standard. It’s a document produced in the mid 90’s that was derived from an analysis of existing schools. An analysis of what worked well and what didn’t. And the guidelines it issued exceeded the statutory minimum.

But even those are out of date. There’s been a wave of school building then, reflecting different concerns and priorities, that mean the guidelines from only a decade ago are themselves out of date. They’re too small.

I’ve already gone through those guidelines in detail. Even by those, out of date , recommendations the site is fundamentally too small. Not too small to actually sustain a school, but too small to sustain a school to desirable standards.

Yes you could rebuild on the existing site but, and I admit this is only an appeal to authority, in my professional opinion it’d be hugely difficult, hugely expensive, and likely to be unsatisfactory in the end result.

And the phrase “decant issuesâ€

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Post by seanie » 06 May 2006, 00:11

Alison Connelly wrote: Whereas at the Jewel there isn’t a golf course to be lost in the first place. So how is replacing one which is lost preferable to not losing one in the first place? And there is no consensus yet that St John’s should necessarily be co-located with PHS.
If you replace it it’s not really lost now is it? At least in terms of utility.

But I’m not sure you’re folloing my line of argument. I’m looking at it from a planning/amenity perspective. Planning policies aren’t just concerned about green space per se, but where it is, how it’s used, its potential etc. So developing on green space has to be justified. But even the policies accept that a small space well used may be preferable to a large space underused.

If you build up at the Jewel there would inevitably be loss of green space. That could be offset by improved facilities coupled to the school, but the site is such that there’d be little left over. Certainly there’d be no scope for the housing realistically required for funding.

And in developing at the Jewel the greenbelt purchase at Brunstane is of no direct benefit.

Since the Council has a policy of obtaining greebelt land where it can, the purchase might still be worthwhile, but in planning terms it’d do nothing to offset the loss of greenspace at the Jewel. It’s too far away for an appropriate substitute amenity.

That’s why, in planning terms, I think relocating the golf-course is preferable. The Brunstane site isn’t too far away from the existing and since most golfers drive to the course, and please let’s not pretend they don’t, that doesn’t represent a huge disruption in amenity. Sure if you’re a member who lives on Park Avenue, who likes to walk out of their front door with their bag over their shoulder and have a quick round you'll probably be dissapointed. But whatever happens dissapointment is inevitable. You can do little more than seek a solution that maximises aggregaete benefits and minimises aggregate costs.

And at the moment, despite it large size, I’m not persuaded of the utility of Portobello Park. That may seem harsh if you value green space for the sake of green space. But in a world of unpleasant choices I’d seriously consider the utility of the park set against the prospect of new schools.

At the moment it’s an impressively open but pretty barren, and to my casual observation, not very intensively used site. I think there’s the potential for a park, albeit reduced in size, that could be more valued and more used than what exists at the moment.

And whilst I'm pretty sure St Johns needs a new building, preferably close to the existing, it by no means has to be coupled to PHS. There are possible economies by siting them together but they aren't huge. The issue of separate sites would have a more impact on timescale and funding rather than cost or function.

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Post by seanie » 06 May 2006, 00:39

Alison Connelly wrote:
seanie wrote:In terms of sports and recreation I’d absolutely expect amenity to be enhanced by new schools. I’d expect the community to benefit from more, better and more varied facilities.
And I disagree (absolutely). What sort of facilities do you envisage? It all depends on you definition of amenity, and your imagination about what will actually be provided
I’d expect better sports and recreational than those currently on Portobello Park and at PHS. I'd expect at least as many football pitches, probably more, at least one all weather probably more, with additional indoor and hard surface courts, accessible to the community, with improved changing facilities.

I’d also expect a good modern school to provide many benefits in terms of facilites to those not inclined to sports and recreation. But whether that expectation is fulfilled will depend on the detail of the proposals actually developed. If indeed they are.
Alison Connelly wrote:
seanie wrote:............Be it an eco-park or a nature reserve I think there’s the potential for a public green space of more interest and use than the barren expanse of close cropped grass that Portobello Park is at the moment.
Magic Kingdom here we come (by the way, will ball games be allowed?)
Did the word potential escape you?

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Post by Plug » 06 May 2006, 01:36

Seanie - this is my first post ever - but I've been watching this site for a long time and have appeared on it as a couple of aliases e.g. Mr Poppy or El P - so many people will know who I am!!

I have considered your posts to be well balanced and factually correct, They have considered the whole issues - whether they be the environmental, economic or educational and I can find very little fault (if any) with your arguments.

Are you aScottish Solicitor or someone very familiar with Scottish Planning Law????!!

Your summation of the issues leave very little to counter argument
as you seem so well informed. The plan showing the catchment area shows that PP is right in the centre and every child would have a fairly easy access to the site - whether it be from Meadowbank, Meadowfield, Abercorn, Northfield. Duddingston. Bingham, The Durhams, Southfield, Magdalene, Joppa, Gilbertstoun or The Coillesdenes - either by bus or by walking.

I would refer you to Stevie Mac's question as to who will lose out from the proposal to move the Golf Course about 1.3 km, while at the same time about 33% of the present site will remain as Park Land, The dog walkers will have the same land and I would suggest that if they walked a wee bit further they would have a much better opportunity to see wildlife by going to the Figgate Park. Can they see mallards and drakes and herons in PP?

In my opinion PP is the most uninspiring park in Edinburgh - "Welcome to debate" - there are no hills, few trees. no water features and few ( if any) flowers.

Again. in my opinion, Portobello has some of the best recreational facilities in Edinburgh, We have the Indoor Bowlng, The Pitz, Rosefield Park, Brighton Park, the Daisy Park, the Quarry (at Joppa) and the Figgate Park. (with ducks!!!)

What we need now is a first class school for our children, with the best of sporting and other facilities so that they have the opportunity to play at the highest standard - whether that be sporting, musical or drama.

(See link to Porty online about Rugby Stars)

I would also suggest that Mr Ferrier (from Portobello Thistle FC) should look on this as an opportunity (as should Porty Rugby Club) to develop facilities (e.g. all weather pitches) to encourage all the children in the catchment area to develop their sporting potential.

We must give every opportunity to the children of North East Edinburgh the facilities to achieve their optimum potential.

If this is at the cost of a 9 hole golf course which consists of about 35 acres and which will be replaced by another only 1.3 km away then I would suggest that that is a small price to pay.

If anyone is concerned about losing that land I would suggest that they walk a further few hundred metres down Hope Lane to the beach where they will find a beautiful sandy beach with a sea that has been cleaned up and a Prom that their dogs can walk on.

Because it's my first post I apologise that there is no avotar or quote from Mark Twain or Oscar Wilde or even RLS - I'll try and find something appropripriate

PS - I do appear as one of the white team as opposed to the stripeys on the 1970's thread - bottle of wine to anyone who can name them all!!

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Post by Izzie » 06 May 2006, 08:46

I am one off the dog walkers,and if you walk behind Magdalene there is lots off space and more fun for the dogs at the burn.Could do with a clean up but the dogs dont seem to mind. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Maria » 06 May 2006, 09:18

seanie wrote:
Alison Connelly wrote:
seanie wrote:Only a lunatic would build a school at Seafield Road Bus Depot.
Search over. Plenty of them around. Just browse this thread.
I’ve detected a touch of paranoia, some mild self-delusion, and certainly some over-sensitivity, but I hadn’t noticed much outright lunacy.

Could you direct me?
Ahem...think that'll be Alison and...*cough*... myself Seanie :oops: :D We both said that it seemed an attractive proposition and I know Lawrence Marshall has also suggested it as a site. There are obvious drawbacks e.g. position on edge of catchment, cost of site purchase and relocation of Bus Depot (to Freightliner Terminal?) and I don't think there would be enough room for St John's as well which means additional costs in trying to find an additional site for it or ignoring it altogether, which isn't good news, but why do you think it is so clearly a non starter?
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Post by Bob Jefferson » 06 May 2006, 09:30

Welcome to the debate Plug. You make some good points and I have to agree with you that the proximity of Figgate Park, one of the largest and most attractive parks in Edinburgh, negates a lot of the arguments that PPAG are making. If PP was the only green space for miles around then it would be a different story.

I love green spaces and there would have to be an extremely good reason before I would even consider sacrificing any of it. No-one has simply said, 'oh yeah, there's a big space conveniently nearby, let's build it there'. But it always has been and remains the best solution for all the reasons that Seanie has meticulously detailed dozens of times over.

Ideally, I would like to think that it might be possible to have both schools on the park and the housing elsewhere in the catchment area and I think a lot of people would see this as an acceptable compromise. However, if this proves not to be feasible then as a community we have to accept that this is the price we pay for the schools that our children need. And although Alison scorns Seanie's vison of an eco-friendly wildlife park there is no reason at all why a small part of the overall budget can't be provided to realise this aspiration and indeed it should be one of the conditions of our acceptance of such a proposal. A wildlife garden would be a huge asset to Portobello and of great educational value to the new schools.

PPAG likes to talk up the idea of PP as a 'treasured' local amenity. Let's be honest - it's a rather featureless 9-hole golf course, barely more than a pitch and putt, next to a few grass pitches that will be remaining anyway. Mind you, I do seem to recall someone trying to persuade us that its lack of features was its, erm, best feature. I quite understand that for local residents it is a convenient area to exercise and toilet your dog but it's hardly the haven for nature lovers that some are attempting to portray. Admittedly, I've spotted a few people using it as a short cut to Milton Road but I'm sure that access will remain.

Since no-one seems willing to answer Stephen's question about who will lose out, let me attempt it. A relatively small number of residents of Park Avenue may lose their view. Some are undoubtedly concerned that the proximity of a school will bring with it an increase in drug-taking and drug crime, though there is no evidence for this. Some are undoubtedly concerned that 'affordable housing' is synonymous with 'bad neighbours' and that the 'tone' of the neighbourhood may be adversely affected. Some are concerned that all this may result in their property values being adversely affected. Some local dog owners may have to walk a little further to Figgate Park, although a large park will still remain and an area could be set aside as a dog toilet. A small number (4%) of golfers will not have a course within easy walking distance, though presumably an equal number at Brunstane suddenly will.

Sorry, that's all I can come up with. Perhaps someone else could help me here?

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Post by Epykat » 06 May 2006, 10:58

Bob Jefferson wrote:Ideally, I would like to think that it might be possible to have both schools on the park and the housing elsewhere in the catchment area and I think a lot of people would see this as an acceptable compromise.
And I really don't see why this isn't feasible - apart from the fact that selling houses on the fringes of Bingham will be harder than selling houses on the Park? Could this be the stumbling block? It certainly isn't because the land at The Jewel is a 'treasured' local amenity. It's a rather featureless piece of scrubland. I presume it's lack of features is its best feature?

Bob Jefferson wrote:I quite understand that for local residents it is a convenient area to exercise and toilet your dog but it's hardly the haven for nature lovers that some are attempting to portray. Admittedly, I've spotted a few people using it as a short cut to Milton Road but I'm sure that access will remain.
This is yet another blinkered argument Bob. It really is quite insulting that you think the reason some people don't want this proposal to go ahead is for shallow reasons such as this.
Bob Jefferson wrote:Since no-one seems willing to answer Stephen's question about who will lose out, let me attempt it. A relatively small number of residents of Park Avenue may lose their view. Some are undoubtedly concerned that the proximity of a school will bring with it an increase in drug-taking and drug crime, though there is no evidence for this. Some are undoubtedly concerned that 'affordable housing' is synonymous with 'bad neighbours' and that the 'tone' of the neighbourhood may be adversely affected. Some are concerned that all this may result in their property values being adversely affected. Some local dog owners may have to walk a little further to Figgate Park, although a large park will still remain and an area could be set aside as a dog toilet. A small number (4%) of golfers will not have a course within easy walking distance, though presumably an equal number at Brunstane suddenly will.
Yet again, an insulting breakdown! Yes, all these things are a concern to some people in the immediate area and quite rightly so. However, what about the people not in the immediate vicinity who are against the proposals? What feeble excuses do they have? I don't live anywhere near the golf course so why am I against the proposals? I'm against them because I fear for the future of Portobello. I have seen a lot of changes here in the past 42 years, some good and some bad. Portobello used to have an identity. It's unique. It has wide open spaces and a beach. Very shortly, with the wholesale destruction of those spaces and the manic building of flats on every available bit of land we will just become an extension of Musselburgh and Leith. We'll merge into one big housing scheme with wee bits of Bowling Green here and there which our grandchildren will start calling "Parks" because they've never seen anything bigger. I am not, and never have been, against the building of a new school but if the Council start building houses they won't stop. Their past record of keeping to promises made is not a good one so why should we be led like lambs to the slaughter by their promises of so called Parks and new golf courses? In answer to Stephen's question; for the present and on paper, nobody will lose out. We'll all get something. But in the future the Community of Portobello will lose out big style. Setting a precedent is something the Council are big on. One neighbour gets away with putting in velux windows and before you know it, the whole street has them - because a precedent has been set. If this proposal goes ahead then what's to stop them moving in for the next kill? My family have lived here for many, many years and I would love to think that my children and grandchildren will too, and I think it's my duty to fight as hard as I can to make sure that there is something left to leave them - apart from another crumbling High School and a fight to save the Figgate from the developers.
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Post by Bob Jefferson » 06 May 2006, 11:27

Epykat wrote:Yet again, an insulting breakdown!
Well, at least I'm attempting to answer the question, though I note that you have now too:
nobody will lose out. We'll all get something.
I'm afraid the rest of your post is an emotive response with liberal doses of scaremongering, paranoia and cynicism:
lambs to the slaughter
what's to stop them moving in for the next kill?
a fight to save the Figgate from the developers
Sometimes I forget whether you are referring to a Council of elected members or the Evil Empire, and sometimes I think you forget too. :wink:

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Post by Epykat » 06 May 2006, 11:42

Bob Jefferson wrote:I'm afraid the rest of your post is an emotive response with liberal doses of scaremongering, paranoia and cynicism:
In your opinion.

Perhaps these responses have just been rubbed off on me by other postings? :D
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Post by seanie » 06 May 2006, 18:37

Marya wrote:Ahem...think that'll be Alison and...*cough*... myself Seanie :oops: :D We both said that it seemed an attractive proposition and I know Lawrence Marshall has also suggested it as a site. There are obvious drawbacks e.g. position on edge of catchment, cost of site purchase and relocation of Bus Depot (to Freightliner Terminal?) and I don't think there would be enough room for St John's as well which means additional costs in trying to find an additional site for it or ignoring it altogether, which isn't good news, but why do you think it is so clearly a non starter?
Well you've already mentioned some of them; edge of catchment, cost of site purchase etc. It's also too small and the location in terms of traffic and pupil access is absolutley crap.

It's been included in the Council's outline review because there were demands it should be. Not because it's remotely viable.

The same is true of most of the other options. Most are non-starters in the current context.

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Post by Dave Connelly » 06 May 2006, 18:55

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33% of the present site will remain as Park Land
Hello Plug,

Well Maybe but which 33%. Will that include the surrounding trees, which cover a fair bit of the park, the part where the sewage tanks are, which cannot be built on and maybe a couple of wee “No ball Gameâ€
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Post by Epykat » 06 May 2006, 19:39

Dave Connelly wrote:
Bob

although a large park will still remain and an area could be set aside as a dog toilet.
I don’t think a large park will remain.
Now, now Dave - you'll be accused of cynical scaremongering if you're not careful :wink:

Of course, it all comes down to the indivdual perception of what is 'large'.
We all know the old 'why can't women park joke' :lol: (sorry, Gemini if you find that offensive)
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Post by seanie » 06 May 2006, 21:11

Alison Connelly wrote:
seanie wrote:Ideally I’d like to see new schools funded directly through progressive redistributive taxation or via public borrowing. However the prospects of that any time soon are slim. I suppose we could put aside our differences and work together to make it a reality. And after we’ve succeeded we can bring a just peace to Israel-Palestine, end world hunger, reverse global warming, and ensure ponies for all.
You sarcasm is not appreciated (at least not by me). Just because we sometimes find ourselves powerless against “big issuesâ€

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Post by Jbrock » 07 May 2006, 10:00

a bit surprised by the Pfans rep attacking the PPAG people attributing someones personal submission/letter/leaflet or whatever it was, ( I haven't seen it), as being that of the ppag group as a whole. Which it clearly wasn't. Dave Connelly, Friday, 5th May

Dave, I can clear up this confusion. PFANS quoted from a letter which was handed out at the PPAG meeting at St Mark's Church. There was no disclaimer on this letter to state it was nothing to do with PPAG. Indeed, I am sure many PPAG supporters will have sent this letter, believing they were supporting PPAGs aims.
I understand how irritating it is to have claims made about the views of a particular group when there is no foundation at all for this.
I will be very pleased to make clear that this letter was not supported by PPAG. In a day or two, the PFANS deputation will be on www.pfans.org.uk. Please e-mail pfans@hotmail.co.uk and tell us the points made about this letter that PPAG does not agree with and we will make this clear on the website.

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Post by Stephen McIntyre » 07 May 2006, 13:04

Dave Connelly wrote:
I don’t think a large park will remain.
How about a small wager? I will bet you a large cappuccino that there will be less than 20% of the park used for housing?

Thanks for answering my question Bob and Epykat. I will respond later. :D :D

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Post by Stephen McIntyre » 07 May 2006, 13:10

Dave Connelly wrote:
Hello Plug,

Well Maybe but which 33%. Will that include the surrounding trees, which cover a fair bit of the park, the part where the sewage tanks are, which cannot be built on ?.
Dave, you need to listen more carefully at meetings :D I have lost count of the times Perry and Aitken have said the tree line will remain. Also, on what basis do you make the statement about not building where the sewage tanks are?

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Post by Dave Connelly » 07 May 2006, 16:37

seanie wrote:
The people against these proposals have integrity and principles. And those that support them don’t.

You’ve nailed it.
Well done Seanie, but I think Pfans may have something to say about that :D :D :D
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Post by Dave Connelly » 07 May 2006, 16:49

Stephen McIntyre wrote: Dave, you need to listen more carefully at meetings :D I have lost count of the times Perry and Aitken have said the tree line will remain. Also, on what basis do you make the statement about not building where the sewage tanks are?
I beleive you, the tree line will remain, I was just wondering if the tree line would be part of the third allocated to green space.

The sewage tank thing is just my opinion, I dont think anyone would want to build on top of or next to the sewage tanks, however, If they do, then they do.

Could we make it a coffee and a bun and your onto a good bet :D

Seanie

Heavy, heavy heavy, lighten up a bit :D

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Post by Dave Connelly » 07 May 2006, 17:04

Jbrock wrote:
a bit surprised by the Pfans rep attacking the PPAG people attributing someones personal submission/letter/leaflet or whatever it was, ( I haven't seen it), as being that of the ppag group as a whole. Which it clearly wasn't. Dave Connelly, Friday, 5th May

Dave, I can clear up this confusion. PFANS quoted from a letter which was handed out at the PPAG meeting at St Mark's Church. There was no disclaimer on this letter to state it was nothing to do with PPAG. Indeed, I am sure many PPAG supporters will have sent this letter, believing they were supporting PPAGs aims.
I understand how irritating it is to have claims made about the views of a particular group when there is no foundation at all for this.
I will be very pleased to make clear that this letter was not supported by PPAG. In a day or two, the PFANS deputation will be on www.pfans.org.uk. Please e-mail pfans@hotmail.co.uk and tell us the points made about this letter that PPAG does not agree with and we will make this clear on the website.
Thanks Jackie, I will hopefully get to see the letter over the next couple of days and will discuss the content with the ppag folk. :D
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Post by Bob Jefferson » 07 May 2006, 17:15

Dave, are you suggesting that trees don't count as green space? That when you calculate the green space that remains you are going to discount the area occupied by trees?

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Post by Dave Connelly » 07 May 2006, 17:36

Bob Jefferson wrote:Dave, are you suggesting that trees don't count as green space? That when you calculate the green space that remains you are going to discount the area occupied by trees?
Hardly Bob, I think that they are one of the parks greatest assets and most definitely green space.

I was wondering though if the council would count them as such, and if this was the case, and they took up one third of the park as a border around the edge, then would the housing be built around the school.

I thinks that is a reasonable concern, that Pfans may also have cause to worry about and may object to. What do you think?
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Post by Dave Connelly » 07 May 2006, 17:39

Dave Connelly wrote:Food for thought.

Hands up if you know what the new catchment area will be for PHS :?:

Do you think it will stay the same :?:

Which houses will be in the PHS sector :?:
Which houses will be in the Holyrood sector :?:
Which houses will be in the Castlebrae sector :?:
Should we start saving for private education :?:

Is anyone having difficulty getting their kids into any of the present primary schools :?:

(edit to get the wee :?: sign on)
No replies to this as yet, In the immortal words of Seanie, any takers :?:
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Post by Bob Jefferson » 07 May 2006, 17:52

I think that they will do their best to avoid removing mature trees, but a lot of the trees on the golf course were planted fairly recently, so they could easily be taken out if required and replaced elsewhere. There is certainly a commitment to at least maintain the same overall numbers.

I'm not sure if that answers your question, but let me ask you one. Would you be willing to accept the schools on the golf course if there was no housing?

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Post by Dave Connelly » 07 May 2006, 17:57

Bob Jefferson wrote: I'm not sure if that answers your question, but let me ask you one. Would you be willing to accept the schools on the golf course if there was no housing?
I dont want any building on the park and I will try to stop any building if I can. However if we were given an either / or scenario, then I would go for the least amount of building, to preserve the greatest amount of green space.

If another site was found, non green space, would you go for that instead of building on the park?
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Post by Bob Jefferson » 07 May 2006, 18:00

Of course. Can you suggest one?

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Post by Dave Connelly » 07 May 2006, 18:02

Bob Jefferson wrote:Of course. Can you suggest one?
Wish I could, I am looking for one.
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Post by Izzie » 07 May 2006, 18:27

Maybe I am jumping in here but was the Jewel not another site.

If the school was built there no need for a new G.C. at Brunstane the houses could go there.

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Post by Epykat » 07 May 2006, 20:36

Stephen McIntyre wrote:Thanks for answering my question Bob and Epykat. I will respond later. :D :D
Can't wait.... :roll:
Enough of your nonsense - get back to the Play Pen!

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Post by Stephen McIntyre » 07 May 2006, 20:39

Dave Connelly wrote:
Dave Connelly wrote:Food for thought.

Hands up if you know what the new catchment area will be for PHS :?:

Do you think it will stay the same :?:

Which houses will be in the PHS sector :?:
Which houses will be in the Holyrood sector :?:
Which houses will be in the Castlebrae sector :?:
Should we start saving for private education :?:

Is anyone having difficulty getting their kids into any of the present primary schools :?:

(edit to get the wee :?: sign on)
As far I am aware and I recall checking catchment areas out near the beginning of the thread, there are no plans to alter the catchment of PHS. I may be wrong. As for getting kids into schools is concerned my only experience was when lisa was joining St John's. I recall the Kevin Mchelhone successfully sued COEC as he has to split his family up by sending one child to Duddingston.

Edit: I missed out the word "no" before "plans", which is kind of critical, sorry.
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Post by Stephen McIntyre » 07 May 2006, 20:46

Dave Connelly wrote:
Green space is green space Bob, If Porty Park was the only piece of green space around would this then make it more valuable than the schools? Didn't you say, (and please tell me if I am wrong) that the children were more important than the park. What difference would it make if it was the last park?.
Dave, Stephen Hawkins, as part of his presentation on behalf of PPAG, informed the full Edinburgh Council (and this is an approximation) that Portobello Park was the only large piece of open land/green space in western portobello. Do you believe that statement has integrity?

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Post by Stephen McIntyre » 07 May 2006, 20:51

Epykat wrote:
Stephen McIntyre wrote:Thanks for answering my question Bob and Epykat. I will respond later. :D :D
Can't wait.... :roll:
Well you just hav to. :D

Can someone explain to me why Portobello Golf Club has a waiting list for membership?

Also, am i right in thinking that if 150 hen and stag particpannts played Portobello golf course in one evening then if they played foursomes with 10 minutes between tee times its almost 7 hours before they could all tee off? :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Post by wangi » 07 May 2006, 22:08

Stephen McIntyre wrote:As far I am aware and I recall checking catchment areas out near the beginning of the thread, there are plans to alter the catchment of PHS. I may be wrong.
There are currently no plans to alter the catchment area:

http://www.schoolcatchments.edin.org/consult.html#porto

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Post by Porty » 07 May 2006, 22:10

Thanks Wangi. That was the doc I looked at
Having looked at their current and future catchment numbers we are assuming that no change will be needed for some schools but if necessary, they may still be included at a later date. These schools are:

Firrhill
Portobello
Castlebrae*
Wester Hailes Education Centre

*Some minor changes may be looked at as part of the Liberton / Gracemount consultation. The date of this consultation is to be confirmed.

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Post by seanie » 07 May 2006, 22:16

Dave Connelly wrote:Hands up if you know what the new catchment area will be for PHS :?:
Since a catchment review hasn't even begun I think it's reasonable to assume there isn't anyone who knows what the new catchment area would be.
Do you think it will stay the same :?:
I don't know. I doubt the additional housing that will be developed within the catchment area would have much impact. The projections for the area are still for a general decline in pupil numbers. I'd think any change in catchment would be driven by other factors.
Which houses will be in the PHS sector :?:
Which houses will be in the Holyrood sector :?:
Which houses will be in the Castlebrae sector :?:
Should we start saving for private education :?:
And who was on the grassy knoll?
Is anyone having difficulty getting their kids into any of the present primary schools :?:
Yes.

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