Jetski danger and petition

gilo · Post by **gilo** » 31 Dec 2006, 19:54

Porty wrote:The rule was to be as quiet as one could be.It was only when one was fairly far out into the lake that one was allowed to go at any real speed. Thereafter there was no restriction on how close to the shore one could go.

Has one suddenly become important?

Thumper* · Post by Thumper* » 31 Dec 2006, 20:38

I hope not............. but a 8 knot limit, for a hundred metres from shore....would go a long way to making everyone happy ............ It's commom place elswhere........

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 01 Jan 2007, 01:12

gilo wrote:
Porty wrote:The rule was to be as quiet as one could be.It was only when one was fairly far out into the lake that one was allowed to go at any real speed. Thereafter there was no restriction on how close to the shore one could go.
Has one suddenly become important?

It was a feeble attempt to de-personalise, one wishes you happy new year.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 05 Jan 2007, 14:19

GRANTY wrote:As a prom dweller, can I just chip in that the noise, on a summer's evening or a Sunday afternoon is pretty irritating. Believe me, it's LOUD!

Funnily enough when we lived on the High Street and our garden wasn't all that far from the Prom we hardly ever heard the jetskiers. Now, although we've moved further away we hear them LOUD and clear! I can only presume it's the way the wind is blowing. I can see this argument from both sides but I think restrictions have to be made on the jetskiers. I do feel that they sometimes put others in danger because I have sat on the Prom and watched them and having that awful droning noise all day every day in the Summer is pretty grim. However, having been brought up in Portobello I have to say that living by the sea brings with it the fact that in the Summer your space is seriously invaded by non residents. I'm not complaining - it's a just a fact of life and residents just have to get used to it. If you want to live in complete peace and quiet Portobello isn't the place to do it!

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 05 Jan 2007, 15:26

Safety is a different matter altogether. I presume Jet Skis would be more of a danger if they were silent?

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 05 Jan 2007, 17:26

Like a Great White you mean? I can see some logic in that although do I really need to know there's a jetskier behind me in a back garden in Craigentinny?

edited to make it clear I meant jetskiers and not sharks being in my back garden

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 05 Jan 2007, 17:57

Epykat wrote:Like a Great White you mean? I can see some logic in that although do I really need to know there's one behind me in a back garden in Craigentinny?

Very true. I was more thinking about the human swimmers in the river.

Think i'll pass on the entendre opportunity.

Freestyler · Post by **Freestyler** » 05 Jan 2007, 18:19

Well the issue is now in next months jetskier magazine, I have been asked to comment on it and the editor ask`s who is charge of beach activity,??? AS to get a quote and find the right people to deal with.

Can anybody forward a name and number..

The message has been spread just as i promised, Hopefully this will go some way to a solution.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 05 Jan 2007, 18:20

Well done.

BTW is jetskier mag available on-line?

And, have jetskiers been hounded out of any other areas in Scotland?

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 05 Jan 2007, 21:57

Think the Forth Ports Authority have some say over beach activities, certainly the signs at the slipway at the foot of Kings Road mention their bylaws.
Strangely enough it not the noise of jet skis that bother me but the behaviour of some of the people using them. I've seen kids terrorised when buzzed by jetskiers coming in close to shore at high speed, I've seen a wee lass knocked off one of the groynes by the force of the water caused by a jetskier and I cant believe these people could react to avoid collision with a dog or child paddling or a swimmer in the water.
The "Golden Balls" give some reassurance of swimming safety but I've seen this flouted, (did have a couple of pictures which I would have posted but I've either deleted or lost them in the computer).

Freestyler · Post by **Freestyler** » 05 Jan 2007, 22:22

Porty, Sorry no it just in print. ( I`ll Scan it ) There is the odd hotspots It`s a newish sport and some people just don`t get it. It`s like were all hells angels of the water or something.

SoupDragon, I agree with you, This is a dangerous practice and should be knocked on the head.

The problem is some guy`s take it seriously and some don`t. To some it`s just a laugh but we all get tarred by the same brush.

I would recommend a sign down at kings road that sets out the rules, ( Even i had no idea what the "Golden balls" were set out for, I thought it was part of the beach art stuff ) That way there is no misunderstanding about behavior on the water. If your found to be flaunting the rules then you get what you get.

But i bet there will be some that haven`t got a clue about proper PWC use and these guy`s need a chance to change their ways. That`s what appeals about this sport, It`s a no rules kind of sport But that doesn`t mean no responsabilitys ( Spelling Sorry)

susie · Post by **susie** » 06 Jan 2007, 08:02

Freestyler wrote:I`m sorry you feel that way, And i too can find things on the beach that irratate me too, But it`s a public space and these things all come with the turf. I could moan all day about Pub noise, Drunks, Dog crap, Litter.......
The fact is i bought a house beside a busy and popular beach and these all come with it.

Please detail your concerns and lets see what could be done.

I think the main problem is at the launching point, This is the biggest problem not just at Porty but everywhere.

The access to the water is very limited and these key spot get busy at times.

Example, Loch Lomond is the biggest stretch of fresh water in the UK, Now there were concerns about jet ski`s "taking over the place"

The fact is there is only 3 launching point in the whole 26 miles of it and there are only 750 odd ski`s registered at the loch as apposed to the 1500 odd speed boats. No one seems to mind speed boats or gin floats ??

It`s no different here if there was a launch spot further down the coast then it would be used. I can get on to the forth at North Berwick but because people have bought houses at the public slip we get hassle there to. ( And i hav`nt even got out the car yet )
If i go to Port Edgar the council will quite happly take my money but then we have to put up with all the crap the yachties throw at us.

The real truth is as a jetskier peoples minds are made up and were are just turning up to spoil their day. This is just not true, We work hard pay our taxes and want to have our fun on the water instead of going to the pub or watching football.

All this water and no real access to it.

I am right behind you all the way freestyler. Totally agree with all that you say, lets have a bit of excitement on the beach, thats what it is there for anyway. Nothing happens in porty because all that lot wont let it, thank goodness I am away from there now.

ali · Post by **ali** » 06 Jan 2007, 10:18

susie wrote: ..................................................... lets have a bit of excitement on the beach, thats what it is there for anyway.

Is it? Who told you that? There is a whole lot more to the beach than "excitement".

susie wrote:

Nothing happens in porty because all that lot wont let it.............

What? Nothing?

Who's "that lot"?

susie wrote:thank goodness I am away from there now.

Don't tempt me.......

Freestyler · Post by **Freestyler** » 06 Jan 2007, 19:32

Ali, don`t mean to be rude buddy, But not looking for a bickering contest.

Just proves the point that the beach means different things to different people.

Nice tunes by the way...

Thumper* · Post by Thumper* » 06 Jan 2007, 21:12

New machines sold over the last 3 years need to meet strict emission and noise ratings............. they are stricter than that for cars .......... for instance, a new Yamaha FX160 3 seater, cannot be heard at twenty paces........ not at all !!! ............. You will find the biose situation improve as people upgrade their ski.............as for spinning up near the beach and putting lives in danger.....two reponces 1)......... they are dimwitted arseholes that need to be hounded out of the area, or educated 2) To properly police the area, will need a joint effort between the local authority, for the land into the water ( your local council).......... and whoever has control of that strech of water............ they could impose a no wake zone, upto 500 metres from shore............. that would add to safety 100%.and also reduce the noise pollution, by 95%........... So one of you "local" guy's need to pick up the batten..............

Down in Portsmouth.....we had similiar problems went on for years....... the local Council (Lee on Solent).and the Queens Harbourmaster, (controls the Solent water's.....came up with that same plan.......... prosicutuons are now common place............ the Solent has anything upto 500 PWC on it during the summer........

Clacton Council, threatend to Lock the slipway gates.again similiar Problems............ solution.......a Club was formed.only club memebers can gain acces to the beach.......to be in the club you must have Datatag numbers for ID....insurance........and an RYA pwc certificate......both of the above, are now well run areas that are enjoyable for everyone to use........... these are just 2 examples, from across the country that I've good knowledge of !!

Your council need to be approached.... they wont bite ( not in my experience).. they should be keen to help...... everyone !!

ali · Post by **ali** » 07 Jan 2007, 00:20

Freestyler wrote:Ali, don`t mean to be rude buddy, But not looking for a bickering contest.

You're not being rude. I was on the verge of it but managed to restrain myself under severe provocation, wouldn't you agree?

Freestyler wrote:Just proves the point that the beach means different things to different people.

Exactly. I agree.

Freestyler wrote:Nice tunes by the way...

Thank you very much.

Freestyler · Post by **Freestyler** » 10 Jan 2007, 19:22

Been down to the slip to have a look.

Found this sign that states the zone now in place, Still trying to find the bye-law quoted at the bottom.
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SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 10 Jan 2007, 23:27

That notice has been there a while.( Well, I read it last September ) I looked up the bylaws on this link

http://www.forthports.co.uk/ftns/Byelaws.pdf

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 10 Jan 2007, 23:36

The sign looks pretty new and small. Its commendable that there has been a safe swim area created. And if PWC's knowingly abuse it then they should be treated accordingly.

Had a quick look atthe bye laws and don't know if PWC are covered. Hence the petition?

However on a positive note, I did find out two pieces of information which I will find useful for storytelling at dinners and other social gatherings. Please don't thank me for sharing these facts with you:

â€œForth Railway Bridgeâ€

Post by **wangi** » 11 Jan 2007, 00:01

SoupDragon wrote:That notice has been there a while.

Although there isn't one anywhere else on the Prom, especially at the Joppa end where Jetskis are also common in the summer.

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 11 Jan 2007, 00:44

Must confess I only knew it was at Kings Road after being told.
It would seem logical that there should be notices along the Prom and that it should be spelt out what was allowed where. Perhaps we should be pointing this out to local councillors.
The first year marker buoys were put out no one seemed to know what they were there for. I found out from one of the policemen manning the summer cabin along by the funfair.
When on holiday in Greece I noticed where the channel that power boats and leisure craft could use was clearly marked, rather like bike lanes. Shouldn't be too expensive to do here. I'd feel, happier if there were clearly defined areas where powered craft, or even dinghies at speed ,didn't come in to contact with swimmers.
There are a regular group of hardy souls who venture out in wetsuits and swim out to and along the marker buoys

Freestyler · Post by **Freestyler** » 11 Jan 2007, 23:09

All sound`s like good planning and sense to me...

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