Replacement of HLR / Seafield / Portobello Rd Roundabout

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Post by Porty » 11 Nov 2008, 14:26

Maureen Child sent the following note out on behalf of the cooncil. Its mostly old news and its prefaced by quite an attractive lady in a rainbow style jumper, carrying some colourful shopping bags in a celebratory pose.

What’s happening at King’s Road
roundabout?

From 15 November, we need to temporarily close Portobello High Street at
the King’s Road junction for around six weeks to allow us to complete the
work at the roundabout. The roundabout is being changed into a traffic-light operated junction, which will make it safer and bus journeys quicker.
We had planned to have all five approaches to the roundabout open while
works continued. However, this didn’t operate as well as we had hoped
which resulted in serious safety concerns and lengthy delays.

We have decided that the safest way to finish works is to temporarily close
Portobello High Street to through traffic at the roundabout for the remainder of the works. Whilst organising this, we have unfortunately had to suspend the works at the roundabout, as various other bits of work elsewhere have continued during this period.

Changes to your journey

The temporary closure of Portobello High Street at the junction will
effectively change the King’s Road roundabout into a signalised T-junction
with Seafield Road East, Sir Harry Lauder Road and Portobello Road
remaining open.

There will be a temporary diversion route for access to and from Portobello High Street, through Baileyfield Industrial Estate via Baileyfield Crescent,
Fishwives Causeway and Sir Harry Lauder Road. Bus routes will use this
diversion and continue to run in both directions along most of Portobello
High Street.

You will still be able to access King’s Road from Portobello High Street.
The right turn from Seafield Road East into Portobello Road will also
be temporarily prohibited, so that Seafield Road East and Sir Harry
Lauder Road traffic can pass through the site at the same time.
The new junction should be open before the Christmas holidays.


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Post by wangi » 11 Nov 2008, 14:41

Porty wrote:Maureen Child sent the following note out on behalf of the cooncil. Its mostly old news and its prefaced by quite an attractive lady in a rainbow style jumper, carrying some colourful shopping bags in a celebratory pose.
In its technicolour glory: http://talkporty.org/hosted/hlr/Flyer-Final-Nov08.pdf

And the front page:
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Post by Porty » 11 Nov 2008, 14:48

What could be in those bags?

A kebab from the turkish, a Kilt from Top Hat?

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Post by wangi » 11 Nov 2008, 14:56

Porty wrote:What could be in those bags?
A couple of traffic cones, some blue rope, sharp sand and a touch of frustration.

And some (traffic) lights for Christmas.

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Post by SoupDragon » 11 Nov 2008, 15:04

And not a Porty shopper in sight

I predict long delays ahead.
If people cant obey a box junction at Bath St/ High St what are the chances of traffic getting out from Baileyfield into Harry Lauder Road?

The whole roundabout is a shambles at the moment.
True the visibility has greatly improved without the mound of vegetation but the gravel lying around makes it slippy and dangerous in the wet

Very little provision has been made for pedestrians.
I mean Blue String?? Best left for making pudding
I pity anyone trying to get around there with a pushchair and those in a wheelchair must be able to float above it otherwise you'll never get round.

Seems to me like they've tried to do too much at the same time.

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Post by Porty » 11 Nov 2008, 16:15

SoupDragon wrote: I mean Blue String?? Best left for making pudding
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Think the significance of the lady with the shopping bags is dawning on me.. Are those bag handles blue?

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Post by Epykat » 11 Nov 2008, 20:51

I think she's tried to cross the roundabout on foot on several occasions and the stress has caused her to lose a vast amount of weight. She's also waving her bags around in a manic manner suggestive of shell shock. Her nerves are in tatters poor soul.
Enough of your nonsense - get back to the Play Pen!

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Post by SoupDragon » 12 Nov 2008, 00:41

Naw
She's practising to give traffic directions when the lights break down

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Post by Porty » 12 Nov 2008, 01:02

I reckon her jumper was intended to connect with the traffic light theme but the council got some of the colours wrong- they wouldn't get them wrong on the real thing would they?

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Post by SoupDragon » 12 Nov 2008, 01:08

I reckon its going to go
Red
Orange/yellow
Green

Blue faced irate driver not gretting through
Indigo anyway

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Post by BeachBum » 15 Nov 2008, 11:07

So, day one of the latest diversions.

Wasnt too bad this morning going to work at 9:15ish am. Nice clear run.

Mind you, I doubt it will be so calm and easily traversed come Monday morning when everyone is trying to get to work.

The bus was having to go pretty slow to get through the industrial estate so that wont help matters, especially if there is a bus coming in the opposite direction 'cos there didnt seem to be much room.

Still, as long as I get to work in under 2 hours im happy enough.

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Post by BeachBum » 15 Nov 2008, 12:39

Things getting busier at the diversions now.

Lothian Buses now has someone there checking the damage to each bus as it passes. Looks like its more of a problem for the 49's though as they are so much lower. On mines earlier we could hear the back of the bus smashing against the ground adn then the grinding as it was dragged along the ground till the road was on more of an even setting.

Polis down there aswell keeping an eye on things.

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Post by rapunzell » 15 Nov 2008, 23:21

Any more delays or detours to the buses will mean I lose more of my support network from town. I've no idea what's going to happen over the next six weeks.

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Post by Jay » 16 Nov 2008, 14:40

As far as I can see, from my vantage point beside The Foresters', nothing much has changed. I wish there had not been the headline on the local news that said 'Portobello High Street Closed'. :evil: It's only closed from Fishwives' Causeway. I hope High Street businesses don't suffer from the rest of the surrounding area thinking the whole damn High Street is closed :evil:

I have to be in work at twenty to-quarter to eight every weekday, with no leeway, so I will post tomorrow to let you know how that goes ...
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Post by Jay » 16 Nov 2008, 14:40

That's getting into work by bus, I add
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Post by BeachBum » 16 Nov 2008, 15:14

Jay wrote:I have to be in work at twenty to-quarter to eight every weekday, with no leeway, so I will post tomorrow to let you know how that goes ...
I start work at 8am through the week. I normally get the 21 at 7:30ish and get to Lochend/Restalrig for 7:40, Im planning on getting an earlier bus into work so that if there are any long delays it wont affect me. Seems like the sensible thing to do. Allow extra time for the journey due to the diversions incase of delay.

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Post by Jay » 16 Nov 2008, 15:57

michael_traill wrote:I start work at 8am through the week. I normally get the 21 at 7:30ish and get to Lochend/Restalrig for 7:40, Im planning on getting an earlier bus into work so that if there are any long delays it wont affect me. Seems like the sensible thing to do. Allow extra time for the journey due to the diversions incase of delay.
I usually get the 7.09/7.16 No. 26. I was intending to go out at about 5 past 7, and see what happens ... :?

Let you know .... :?
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Post by BeachBum » 16 Nov 2008, 16:23

Jay wrote:I usually get the 7.09/7.16 No. 26. I was intending to go out at about 5 past 7, and see what happens ... :?

Let you know .... :?
It'll be the 6:30ish 21 for me, will have my breakfast & read of the paper at work. I should be okay, dont see many of the workies working at that time.

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Post by Epykat » 16 Nov 2008, 22:11

We came through the diversion in a taxi last night just in time to see a bus trying to get over the roundabout. There wasn't enough room for it between the cones so it knocked half of them flying. Almost fancy going that way in the morning just to see what happens :D . Was wondering how the buses would cope with the speed bumps through the industrial estate. BTW at the bottom of Christiemiller Avenue today a 49 had obviously forgotten he wasn't meant to go that way and was attempting a three point turn :shock: - it was funny. He was totally stuck and going nowhere when we passed :lol: :lol:
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Post by Porty » 16 Nov 2008, 23:19

I had major fun on a bus the other week. It had number 555 on the front and it said it was going to Edinburgh airport. Except it was liveried as a 26 I got on at Abbeyhill and headed for Eastfield. It was in fact a 26. I think lrt should do this more often. The numbers and sign were stuck- it was total comedy. Once you were on the bus you had the pantomime at each stop. The driver had to entice people on by informing them it was a 26. Without fail each and every passenger that got on thoihht they were going to first to break it to the driver about the signage. Those of us on the bus were rocking with laughter. It was brilliant!
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Post by Maria » 17 Nov 2008, 11:30

What was it like at Baileyfield this morning?

Traffic on Brighton Place was heavy, backed up from the lights on the junction with Duddingston Park to well down Brighton Place. Perhaps priority at these lights should be temporarily altered to give more time for traffic using this route to the High Street?

The junction with Milton Road was worse; only two cars at a time were making it across at the green light, as traffic was backed up on the other side, all the way from the temp lights outside the new Holy Rood school to Milton Road junction.
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Post by wangi » 17 Nov 2008, 11:33

Avoided it; hard to say the impact the new arrangement had. Milton Road and the roads Marya comments on were all effected by the closure of the Park...

Anyone else used the "local access" from the High St to Kings Rd? Wow, that's one narrow run over the pavement.

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Post by Maria » 17 Nov 2008, 11:49

wangi wrote: the roads Marya comments on were all effected by the closure of the Park...
When did that happen and how long will it last? Hadn't seen any signs warning traffic that this was the case.
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Post by BeachBum » 17 Nov 2008, 12:43

Marya wrote:What was it like at Baileyfield this morning?
No problems for me, was all clear when my bus went through it.

But then I did take the precaustion of getting an earlier bus before the traffic had the chance to build up.

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Post by SoupDragon » 17 Nov 2008, 13:20

Heard going towards Leith was Ok but thats from folk who set out early, ie before 8am
The big question will be how well it works during this evenings rush hour


There was an accident in the Park this am according to the BBC

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Post by seashell » 19 Nov 2008, 14:35

I found the diversion added 10 minutes onto my journeytime to Meadowbank on Monday morning - and taht was before 8 am. I'd hate to think what it is like later on. Wherever possible I am travelling via Milton Road and avoiding the roundabout mess

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Bike :-)

Post by Bazza » 19 Nov 2008, 16:47

Of course, on the bike, it's all slightly faster now, as there's just lots of easy-to-overtake cars sitting around on the road ;-)

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Post by SoupDragon » 19 Nov 2008, 20:10

They dont seem to have made it easier for pedestrians
Clanger 2 nearly got collected by a lorry

We need more blue string!


One thing I did notice the other day is the cones along Seafield Road , finally they;re stopping those that go along the outside past all the cars and sneak in at the box junction at the bus depot

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Post by seashell » 23 Nov 2008, 10:54

COming in this morning to work the bus driver was so busy chatting to his little chum that he managed to miss the diversion completely. It was interesting, sitting on a double decker bus doing a u-turn in the middle of the high street.

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Post by Maria » 23 Nov 2008, 13:18

Grunk wrote:Does anyone else find it a bit concerning that the reason Portobello High Street is going to be closed is because, they couldn't get temporary traffic lights to work effectively.

Yet the raison d'etre of the road works is to put in permanent traffic lights.

I'm with you totally on this Grunk. The new lights are not intended to improve traffic flow, but are simply bus priority lights. The idea that all will return to normal, once the work has been completed, is wishful thinking.
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Post by BeachBum » 23 Nov 2008, 23:22

seashell wrote:COming in this morning to work the bus driver was so busy chatting to his little chum that he managed to miss the diversion completely. It was interesting, sitting on a double decker bus doing a u-turn in the middle of the high street.
Reminds me of the time myself & a handful of others went round the Galashiels one way system 4 times before the driver ( who was apparently new) managed to find the correct path to the bus station.

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Post by BeachBum » 24 Nov 2008, 09:04

Accident on the diversion route this morning around 7:15 / 7:30 ish. Was at the little roudabout adjacent to the Council yard.

Police, Fire & Rescue Service & Ambulance crew were attendance. Only looked like one car involved when I passed.

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Post by SoupDragon » 24 Nov 2008, 13:26

Hear the driver taken to hospital
It was still causing tailbacks at the back of 8 as the policew investigated
I ended up doinga u turn and going through Mountcastle to get to Leith

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